El Hierro

[jand]

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One thing that drew me much attention in the photos of the INVOLCAN of yesterday is that he appreciates a spot opposite the port, very near of the coast.
 Seems like a way out of material, but I'm surprised no one has said and that are not pictures of closer.
 http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6453/mancha24.jpg (Translated by Bing)

[Paddster]

Great pic...........

[jand]

There is still a lot of unease on El Hierro and the talk is still of IGN witholding information apparantly as far as I can make out from three other stations IGN are using but IGN are not making public the graphs or information they are finding.

Copied below and translated from Avcan FB .

Good morning, overwhelming what had happened in L'Aquila. People fió and died. What this Mania here say nothing happens? This case shows how important to the population enough information so you can judge for itself, we take by ignorant to do what they say without complaint. Of course, if we have knowledge and know too are not manipulated. It is best to keep the people ignorant. And it seems that they do not learn the lesson, I would like to know the information in Japan, I think that it should be an example to take into account.

It is the problem of the nanny State! They want to know where it is best for my. YOUR STATE! Give me information and decide I which is the color of the traffic light! We pay taxes for this, make no mistake! They are required! They don't have to become responsible, their duty is to inform, citizens are not sheep or as dirian here "pecoras" we have to give the opportunity to save our families, I am convinced that they absolutely know us that it is what can happen in El Hierro! Why informed people and explore further! And if anything given the possibilities of what can happen with data! Then each to choose the color of your traffic! (Translated by Bing)

[jand]

Large explosion spike on the graph today at 1520.

[jand]

The graphs again are showing again today more stronger movements and peaking .

Fifi I wish too I could understand them more and what this means actually is happening to the magma and where it is finding its pathway through to?.

[jand]

Maybe copied below has something to do with graph above of the large movement.

Avcan FB Copied and Translated

el sismo de las 15:24 fue acompañado de una emanación de gases muy fuerte en Frontera, lo percibimos todos en casa, tuvimos que entrar rápido en casa porque no se podía respirar, miré la hora y eran las 15:30, en Los Mocanes, perdón no lo dije antes porque estaba trabajando.
 Y dicen que esto se está acabando?


#8206;15: 24 quake was accompanied by a very strong in border gas emanation, perceive all at home, we had to go fast at home because he could not breathe, looked up at the time, and they were 15: 30, in Los Mocanes, sorry didn't it before because I was working.
 And they say that this is running out? (Translated by Bing)

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no, lo siento, no llamo al 112 porque ya lo he hecho otras veces, viene un policía local y me dice que son quemas de rastrojos...
 además, como que vigilan esta página, ya lo estarán leyendo

No, sorry, not call 112 because I've already done other times is a local policeman and tells me that they are burning of stubble... in addition, as that they monitor this page, they are already reading (Translated by Bing)

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Julius Sebastian Alguien mas ha detectado en Frontera ese olor a gases?. Si es asi el equipo de guardia que se vaya preparando

Someone more it has been detected in border that smell gas?. If so of guard who go preparing team (Translated by Bing)

[jand]

Hola a tod@s. Veo que con un minuto de diferencia se han producido dos sismos (seguro que estos dias hubo mas pero por lo que sea han salido registrados) en las faldas del Tanganasoga. Creo que seria un buen momento para que los expertos se moviesen y sobre la ruta hicieran algunas comprobaciones. Despues de tantos dias de explosiones el sentido comun deberia haber hecho presencia pero ya se sabe...es lo que hay. Es de esperar que en las proximas horas el mar se calme y veremos entonces si ha habido algun cambio. FRON HI01 ha pegado una buena subida. TN03 y TN06 al igual que IZAN han bajado.


Hola a Tod @ s. I see that with one minute of difference there have been two earthquakes (sure that these days there were more but so is have been registered) in the foothills of the Tanganasoga. I think it would be a good time to ensure that experts are move and on the road to do some checks. After so many days of explosions common sense should have been done presence but you know... is what it is. It is hoped that in the next hours the sea calm and then see if there has been some change. FRON HI01 has stuck a good rise. TN03 and TN06 as they away have fallen. (Translated

[jand]

There is so much discussion at the moment.

There have been two shallow earthquakes late this afternoon in Frontera apparantly picked up only by La Gomeras graphs as CHIE El Hierro is again out of action.

The earthquakes are also listed on this link.


schteve says:

 December 17, 2011 at 18:41


The EQs around 1525 are listed here: http://www.ign.es/ign/resources/volcanologia/txt/boletin_HIERRO.txt
 Bottom o' the page

This has just been posted on Avcan Copied and Translated.

In any case, if they continue to perceive odors to gas, inform those responsible for the protection or at least comment here. With the seismograph almost out of service is very important a direct information of what is perceived by those who they are in the island. You are our eyes and our ears. (Elena).

[jand]

Avcan Copied and Translated.

Marimar, no more data to analyze give a hypothesis which I think is reasonable. The eruption of La Restinga can proceed with explosions and exit of magma and gas, and in another part of the island can occur other things that although us alarmed they are not transcendent in the context that you can open new mouths. To enable this to happen they would have to attend other factors as they would: increase of deformation, new earthquake at a depth that would announce new entry of magma, the presence of signals LP... All together that would do that things had changed substantially. The problem is the lack of data allowing us to make reasoned judgments. (Elena).

[jand]

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THE SIGNAL FROM THE TREMOR REMAINED YESTERDAY AT LEVELS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS DAY.

17-12-2011... 18: 31 - Ministry of economy, finance and security

This morning the IGN has located an earthquake of 2.3 to the NW of border

Tremor signal held yesterday, November 16, at similar levels to those corresponding to the last hours of the day before. In this sense he maintained a constant amplitude, with two little significant decreases. The most significant record occurred at 21: 26 hours when took place a pulse of high amplitude which lasted for 4 minutes, followed by a fall to pre-crisis levels.

The evolution of the tremor indicates that the eruption continues its course and at the moment is not associated with seismic events. During day 16 there was no earthquake on the island of El Hierro but the provisional registration of the National Geographic Institute has been located at 2: 40 hours on the morning of today, day 17, an earthquake of intensity 2.3 to the NW of border, 22 kilometers deep.

In the visible spot on the surface of the calm sea not be appreciated yesterday dark tones or bubbling given the State of the sea of rough seas.

According to data supplied by the rescue maritime SASEMAR 103 aircraft, after his flight of recognition, no difference in temperature on the sea bottom, no emission of volcanic material or of water vapor in surface in the area of focus is not noted.

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[fifi]

quote:Originally posted by jand

Large explosion spike on the graph today at 1520.

There were two very shallow earthquakes at that time, one only 3km deep and the other 3.4km so that may be the reason. You can see the location of them on this jand http://www.avcan.org/?m=Animacion

[jand]

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/12/the-year-in-volcanic-activity/100209/

Awesome Photos.

[jand]

Thanks Fifi.

Every day something new to learn and different peoples comments and info just adds to the fascination of the wonders of the world and volcanoes. IMO.

[jand]

[jand]

[fifi]

Fantastic photos[]

[jand]

On the link I posted lots more to see and photos of El Hierro are on there aswell.

[Paddster]

Are they El Hierro ?

[jand]

volcanocafe.com copied.


DebbieZ says:

 December 17, 2011 at 21:54


it is vey worrying that the residents have to dive their houses to escape the smell of gases – those poor people who live there must be scared out of their wits! Is there not a site where the air values are published. Where is Grimster, have been looking forward to his input for ages...mind you, he is visiting the Canaries, where everything has to wait unti manana!! You have to live in the Canary Islands to appreciate that things sometimes take time....but that is the beauty of living here...

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Una Canaria says:

 December 17, 2011 at 21:57


It is not surprising it has been gas emanation in Frontera, in the area of Los Llanillos. Even the magnitud it was not so big,1,4, the epicenter was on land, and only 2.9 kms deep.

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Sissel says:

 December 17, 2011 at 22:01

But this is horrible, people cannot stay there if they are troubled by gas emissions?
 Am I crazy and this is a normal situation?

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DebbieZ says:

 December 17, 2011 at 22:09

if i remember correctly, didn´t Carl mention ages back that he thought that there would the a possibility of of BIG problem in the area of Llanillos...sorry have been reading your site avidly for the past month, but never feel quite confident to post comments – you all seem to be so knowledgeable ...whereas i, just live in the Canarias, (tenerife) but I do have an enormous empathy with my neighbours on the other Canary islands

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[jand]

Paddster

The photos are of volcanoes that have errupted this year the El Hierro ones shown on the link are of the sea around El Hierro.

[jand]

Seems like they have found a new vent nearer Restinga the helicopter hs been out taking pictures of it.

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Una Canaria says:

 December 18, 2011 at 09:56

 http://www.rtvc.es/volcanelhierro/volcanendirecto.aspx

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Una Canaria says:

 December 18, 2011 at 10:04

It seems near from the coast.

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Una Canaria says:

 December 18, 2011 at 09:57

It is a new spot

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Una Canaria says:

 December 18, 2011 at 10:07

Tonight we'll have more photos and videos in INVOLCAN website.

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Good Morning Una

Una pregunta porfavor

Do you mean they have found a new vent opening closer to Restinga?

Gracias.

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Una Canaria says:

 December 18, 2011 at 10:59

Yes, and it seems that shows activity with bubbling

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[jand]

'http://tenerife.todogeologia.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1812&p=10223#p10223'" (Translated by Bin

Translated.

I've found a summary of the volcanic journalism day held yesterday Saturday in La Laguna: "...."Juan Jesus Coello Bravo (geologist Council Insular of waters of the Cabildo de Tenerife) presented an overview of the geological history of El Hierro. Island built by 3 large volcanic edifices: Volcano del Golfo (to the West), volcano Tiñor (to the East) and South building (the oldest part of it is submerged in the South of La Restinga). He stressed the 3 large landslides that have occurred on the island: the Gulf, the Julán and the beaches. He noted that most curious of the latter is not completed and today there is an important system of faults in the header of this valley with large blocks of material without mobilizing.
 He added that from his point of view, the more likely area to have a rash would be the Valley of the Gulf.

Jose a. Rodriguez Losada (Professor of the Dept. Edaphology of ULL) focused his intervention on the restingolitas. He acknowledged the fascination of his team by the abnormal composition of these materials. According to the data are handled "is the first time seen something like this in the world and is something extraordinary for geological research."
 Then entered to detail the chemical composition of whitish inside which he described as Petroespuma (with 66.7% silica and regarded as Riolíta), explained that the existence of black colour striping were also appreciated inside which they are composed of 45.76% silica and belong to the rank of the Tefrita-Basanita. Their outer bark it considered that it was a cover of common basaltic composition.
 He concluded by remarking that the very uniqueness of this material "the explanation of their training do not have but in the relationship between uranium and Threnio and silica present records exceeding up to four times the rock with more closely that the components of the Petroespuma were located in Tindaya.Entre met"jaspe"." Finally warned that "not yet be found on the planet a rock with these characteristics".

Luís Hdez. Consej.Infraestructuras and public works of the Canarian Government geologist "the reason for closing the tunnel in the Roquillos wasn't because it was afraid he collapsed on the inside but the risk of landslides on departure from the South." In his view "the tunnel is capable of dissipating the energy of an earthquake." He recommended that during an earthquake as safe would put inside to protect them from landslides because that is a safe structure.
 He added that the Cabildo had tried to mallar parts of the slope alongside the South mouth but that wasn't enough. He indicated that "the Chief of the area has announced that the tunnel will be extended in its southern mouth with a false tunnel to overcome the danger zone".

Antonio Eff-Darwish Professor Dept. Edaphology ULL in a very entertaining presentation remarked the amazing age of seabed of funds where sits Canary Islands which would be of Jurassic era of about 200 million years ago. It recommended the Ajuí Beach in Fuerteventura as one of the ideal places to check for the sediments which there can be seen. He made a tour of the different techniques to monitor volcanoes. He showed the different sounds that produce earthquakes and volcanic tremor. He also claimed the role of Canary volcanic monitoring universities which had remained outside of the Scientific Committee of El Hierro. It concluded by recommending a surveillance multidisciplinary to make a good observation of volcanic activity, however suggested that each institution should be charged with their field of knowledge to better dominate without hoarding them all because he would lose effectiveness.

Samuel Toledano journalist researcher Realizó a tour about the reality of the journalistic profession today. He explained the difficulties that are taking place and great demands calling a journalist that little less to be "an expert in everything" but with little room for adequate training. He recalled great pressure of asking corporations to reduce staffing at the time required for quality journalism.

Verónica Martín, notices filed daily Deputy Director a clear and simple statement that gave full in the main difficulties which were appreciating in the information management of the volcanic phenomenon of El Hierro and some of them already advanced in our Forum: • El PEVOLCA has not been able to understand the needs of the media. E.g.; The give press conferences hasty in inappropriate places.
 • The absence of a scientific spokesman to make link to do not disturb the scientists during their surveillance work.
 • Not give importance to the times in which the media need to develop their work.
 • Too many unauthorized voices outside the PEVOLCA.
 • "Reality might sometimes spoil the holder" (some media exaggerated the owners to maintain the tension though these did not coincide with what was happening in reality.)

At the end of his speech set out some ideas that might help to avoid mistakes by the press when it comes to treat information: • should improve the little specialization of journalism with specific training • must know clearly "who ask?" • trying to distinguish "qualified scientist" of the "famous scientist" based on objective aspects such as for example the publications you have made in scientific circles of proven quality.
 • Contrast the information with (neutral) scientific friends to help interpret technical information.

Programme of interventions was closed with a presentation by a member of AVCAN who are the collective, a summary of its statutes and a statement of objectives. Then they presented the different tools that have on their website to make maps with data from IGN.

Closing debate.
 The closure came with a small discussion which involved several assistants. With our involvement we were grateful for the initiative and do a little thinking by appealing to "we all have our chain of responsibility in a volcanic crisis." To enable it to develop successfully all actors must find a balance between own personal or institutional goals and objectives of the common benefit. "We can not require politicians or the media a good job if we do not assume our responsibility as citizens collaborating with them in the best way".
 Fernando Raja closed the debate as a member of AVCAN demanding that "the IGN should offer all their data from all stations in open because they are data made with public money." He complained that "he did not understand the informative occult at different times of the volcanic crisis when even them had been called to remove certain information from your Facebook." He added that "although they were amateurs in their ranks they had professionals that could very well manage the volcanic crisis with people here."
 The debate concluded with the recommendation of a journalist from Cadena Ser advising AVCAN 'be cautious with certain information and public statements'.
 ... ", source: 'http://tenerife.todogeologia.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1812&p=10223#p10223'" (Translated by Bin

[jand]

Helicopter over the new vent stain this morning.

[woe10]

MY HOMEMADE HELICOPTER

[jand]

Woe10

But where is your volcanic vent stain that has just errupted and is moving closer to the coast ?

[appy ammer]

mines on me pants` after last nights ruby;)

[TripleH]

quote:Originally posted by appy ammer

mines on me pants` after last nights ruby;)

Made me chuckle

[jand]

Photos taken today.

[jand]

[jand]

Video from today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIld5tDTURA&feature=player_embedded