El Hierro

[jand]

Images of the erruptive mouths.

[fifi]

quote:Originally posted by jand

Morning SurfJames/Everyone

Do you not agree this is insane them withdrawing people and investigations into the happenings at the moment of the vent.

One has to only watch the webcams to see what is happening above the vent . The IGN graphs are still showing the explosions some have been happening every 8 minutes and now an earthquake only a 1.9 but the depth is only 2km.

Yes I do jand but I am not surprised at all. Thank you for all the updates. I appreciate them because I have been unable to get unline.[]

[Florence]

I find the posts comparing this submarine event to the 1902 Mt Pelee eruption on the island of Martinique unhelpful and scaremongering.  I read a book about this as it brought about the science of volcanology.  Volcano eruptions in the Canary Islands have not and never will be like Mt Pelee as they are not Strato Volcanoes situated in a subduction zone ontop of tectonic plates.

Can we stick to facts instead of just blindly cut and pasting somebodies thoughts on something they clearly know very little about?

[jand]

Florence Quote

Can we stick to facts instead of just blindly cut and pasting somebodies thoughts on something they clearly know very little about?
If you read the post in detail without jumping on the bandwagon with totally incorrect statements trying to undermine people all the time you will have seen that the poster was not scaremongering or even comparing El Hierro to the Martinique erruption.

"As a first step, he (Mouttet) decided to organize a commission of experts to assess the risk. The committee was quite sanely put together. It included Professor Landes and two other professors, the chief artillery officer who could figure out how far rocks could be thrown, and the head pharmacist who might know of toxic risks. There was only one problem; none of them really knew about volcanoes. At that time, no one did."
The report from his Commission on the Volcano concluded:
""There is nothing in the activity of Pelee that warrants a departure from St. Pierre." They concluded that the position of the craters and valley opening onto the sea was such that "The safety of St. Pierre was absolutely assured.""

Copied below is what the poster stated and he was pointing out only the similarities in the attitude of the govenor of Martinque with the attitude of the goverment bodies dealing with El Hierro and the poster clearly stated they did not say that the volcanic activities were similar as they did not have the skills to compare them !!!!!.

The story is very sad. In my opinion there are big similarities in attitude with the authoroties on El Hierro. I do NOT say that the volcanic activities are similar as I do not have the skill to compare them.

[Florence]

The authorities in El Hierro are in no way the same situation of the authorities in St Pierre so there is no point in comparing the two.

[jand]

Florence

But this is your own opinion many people some from all over the world who have been following El Hierro do not share the same opinion as you .

The authorites have seemed to have washed their hands at the moment of El Hierro and just as I am writing this the webcam is showing steam coming from the vent.

http://www.rtvc.es/volcanelhierro/volcanendirecto.aspx

The stain has also got wider today.

The graphs on IGN even today  are showing movements and explosions that have never been seen before in such force and what have the goverment done pulled nearly everyone out.



Some of it is sounding familar to the authorities of Martinique.

[Florence]

What are you suggesting jand?  That the village of La Restinga is in imminent danger of being covered in pyroclastic flow? Best let the authorities know that you are an expert in this matter and get them to spend more money on photographing the thing and perhaps evacuate an island or two.

[jand]

One person from another site volcanocafe I think he is American is arriving on El Hierro tomorrow and will be reporting live he is staying there for three weeks.

People on volcanocafe are discussing and taking things very seriously and some of my posts have been maps graphs 4d images copied from this site.

Lots of people have questions for him to answer examples below copied from Volcanocafe.

Hello Grimmster!

If you have the chance I would like to ask you this:

- ask people of La Restinga if they still hear and feel the tremor;
 - ask fishermen if they still hear strange sounds from the sea, and if the sounds have changed since they first started;
 - smell at the upper opening of the "Cueva de Don Justo" (you cannot and must not enter it) if there is something like "rotten egg" or "burnt match" in the air. The opening is probably on the western side of the red cinder cone a little NW to La Restinga, not far from the road to El Pinar;
 - take pictures of the "ceilingless" lava tubes in this area, if you can find them;
 - take pictures of the beautiful grey-green shrubs growing there.

And please be very careful! Do not take any risks!


inannamoon says:

 December 15, 2011 at 22:44

At least you wont be alone, I've been looking around a few other blogs and found a fellow follower who will be on the island over the Christmas break and will be reporting back.

I recognise a few names so perhaps you (readers) are already aware, but just in case here's another opportunity to hear what is happening first hand:

http://vulkane.net/blogmobil/ (you'll need to translate)

Thanks to grimmster, Marc, Joke, the sailors and pilots who work hard to share all the latest information, much appreciated!

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[jand]

Copied and translated from http://vulkane.net/blogmobil/.

Gitta says:

 15. December 2011 at 22: 07
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Hi, actually I prior to the day after tomorrow for 10 days to Fuerteventura to fly. Keep track of all reports on El Hierro but for weeks. And somehow I now not a good feeling. Can El Hierro also risk mean to the other islands, I think because of Quake or tidal waves???

[woe10]

5.36am ?  Somebody´s definately got a problem.

[jand]

Woe10 quote 5.36am ? Somebody´s definately got a problem.

Woe10 perhaps you should look at yourself I think its you that has the problem .!!!

Another one thats needs to get their facts correct before jumping on the bandwagon !!!

The time shows 00.05(.36 seconds) and as the time showing is actually one hour ahead the real time of my posting was actually 23.05!!!!!

[Elite of the forum]

school boy error woe []

BEEN AWAY FOR TWO WEEKS WAS HOPING IT MIGHT OF BLOWN BY NOW

[jand]

More like acting like a school boy !!!!

[jand]

Strange movements on the graph for El Hierro earlier this evening?

[TripleH]

Wow, havent looked at this thread for a couple of days, sort of grown out of it. See jands still at it all hours of the day and night. Jand, a serious question, are you still genuinely concerned for your own well being on Fuerte? If so I really hope it all blows over soon, you must be absolutely shattered

[fifi]

Ive never seen the Graph like this before either jand and checked the other Islands and they are all showing stronger tremor than usual. I wonder what is causing the spikes and the long break is unusual too isnt it? Wish I knew more about reading the graphs. Once again thanks for the updates.[]

[fifi]

quote:Originally posted by TripleH

Wow, havent looked at this thread for a couple of days, sort of grown out of it. See jands still at it all hours of the day and night. Jand, a serious question, are you still genuinely concerned for your own well being on Fuerte? If so I really hope it all blows over soon, you must be absolutely shattered

Hi TripleH, im not trying to be alarmist here but to be honest with you El Hierro has caused waves of great importance in the past and there is a  possibility that it could happen again. Jand should be commended  for her constant monitoring of the situation. You will find out more from her than the Government cover ups allow. No one knows what will happen, even the Volcanologists, because it is not an exact science, but the potential is there for a Tsunami because it has happened before. Im not saying it is likely, but it is possible. Thanks for the time and effort jand.  Your heart is in the right place  trying to protect not only your own family but also others. Well done.[]

[Florence]

Fifi - you always struck me as being sensible... until now.  The odds of a tsunami happening because of this little eruption on El Hierro are negligible (don't take my word for it - look it up).  It has caused waves of great importance to a few people, but most of us are getting on with life as normal.  No offence meant.

I would take this thread alot more seriously if a more balanced approach was taken, instead of you all fearing the worst.

[fifi]

Hi Florence, as I said, its not likely to happen but it is possible and has been proven to have happened in the past so for that reason alone I think it is worth monitoring, I really do. If it continues as a submarine eruption I wouldnt have any worries but if it erupts on land which is a possibility still things may be different. I have studied it as much as possible with my limited understanding of the situation and wished I knew more on the subject but my nature is to err on the side of caution. El Hierro has had several major landslides in the past which have caused problems.



"Luis Ignacio Gonzalez de Vallejo, Professor of Geological Engineering from the Universidad Complutense de Madrid said , that in the Canary Islands there have been waves of up to 50 meters created by large landslides" (La Vanguardia translated)

[Elite of the forum]

grow up jand only asking a civil question

[jand]

Roaroftherovers your quote school boy error woe .

My posting more like acting like a schoolboy related to Woe and had nothing to do with you personally or your question.

[jand]

Fifi Thanks for your comments.

This thread only shows a small percentage and updates of whats happening on El Hierro.

To get a balanced picture it does take time to read through all the sites on the internet from all over the world to put things into perspective.

I try to post the most factual comments and back them up with maps graphs photos links etc and post also comments from the people living on El Hierro who tell us and report things before goverment officials decide to.

[jand]

Update 16/12 – 23:59 UTC
 - Involcan and the Guardia Civil Helicopters made a surveillance flight today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kEyhNxjH-yE#!

[jand]

TripleH

Yes I am still genuinely concerned for everyone and so are many other people on other sites who are following El Hierro.

[jand]

earthquakereport.com

Data Update 17/12 – 09:19 UTC
 - A new earthquake measuring 2.3 magnitude occurred 22 km deep below Los Llanillos in the El Golfo area. It will trigger mixed feelings for 2 groups of people. At the one hand the volcano enthousiasts who will see it as a sign that the volcano is not dead yet and at the other hand the local people who are highly irritated with this activity.
 - Harmonic tremor was medium all night long with a slightly increasing trend and some occasional short bursts. Yesterday, the tremor subsided strongly after every burst, but this does not happen anymore since 01:00.
 - A faint Jacuzzi area can be seen at times in the Telefonica Cabildo eruption webcam (look at the thin white line 1 cm lower than the horizon and vertically above the left harbor wall. The rough see if sometimes blocking the view, but we have seen it many times this morning

[Elite of the forum]

ok thank you jand [][][]

[jand]

volcanocafe.com

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Newby says:

 December 17, 2011 at 11:00


I am wondering if the charts have been scaled down a bit again in El Hierro. Look at the burst at 11;50 on this chart for the 14th
http://www.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesDiasAnterioresHora.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2011-12-14_11-12&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2011&Mes=12&Dia=14&tipo=2&hora=11-12
 And this chart for today at 1000 am with a similar size burst, shorter in time but just as large,
 http://www.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesDiasAnterioresHora.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2011-12-17_10-11&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2011&Mes=12&Dia=17&tipo=2&hora=10-11
 It looks to me like quite a big difference as to how they show on the charts but on the signal at the top they are very similar in strength.
 Or am I being silly?

[jand]

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He encontrado esta nota sobre el juicio a los técnicos en el terremoto de l'Aquila en Italia, y algunas cosas que comentan son TAN parecidas a las que pasan aquí, que resulta bastante espeluznante...
 http://#8203;www.lagranepoca.com/#8203;comienza-juicio-historico-e#8203;n-italia-por-negligencias-#8203;en-el-terremoto-de-laquila

I found this note on the trial to technicians in the earthquake of L'Aquila in Italy, and some things that comment are so similar to those that pass here, it is quite shocking... http://www.lagranepoca.com/comienza-juicio-historico-en-italia-por-negligencias-en-el-terremoto-de-laquila (Translated by Bing)
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[jand]

AREZZO, Italy - the earthquake in the Abruzzo, Italy region, the 6 April 2009, l'Aquilaen returns to the Italians lamemoria before the start of the trial the September 20, queprocesa charge of manslaughter to seven members of the ComisiónNacional valuation risks between ellos, eminent scholars of altoscargos in the country.

They are accused of not having assessed niinformado the risk of the earthquake for the population. The affected area 400 light, mostly imperceptible earthquakes registrócerca, and the population alerted nofue that this could mean the arrival of an earthquake of mayorintensidad.

As previously reported by the great time, drew official meeting of 6 days before the earthquake in Abruzzo, a técnicode geology of the Gran Sasso in Italy laboratory, Giampaolo Giuliani, reported on the seriousness of quakes that are estabanregistrando in various analyses. Between information provided South study of the National Research Center (CNR #, in which seconsideraba the next earthquake in L'Aquila at very high risk, what efectivamenteocurrió on April 6, 2009.)

The earthquake left 309 dead, erased from the village mapaun and destroyed the historic centre of the city of L'Aquila. Causóademás national upheaval, when the University accommodation building of the city collapsed, burying students from across the country quedormían in it.

After hundreds of tremors in sumayoría imperceptible, L'Aquila shook with a little routine temblorde magnitude 3.9, shortly before 11 pm on the night of Sunday, April 5. The journal Nature, the physician Vittorini Segúninforma declares quediscutió with his wife Claudia and her daughter, about spending the rest of the night outside enel.

According to Vittorini - Judgment - it's Party civil acusadoraen Government said there was no imminent danger and recalling scientific esasafirmaciones claiming that each shock has decreased the potential of ungran earthquake, persuaded his family to stay in his apartment in VíaLuigi Sturzo. The three were in bed, when, at 3: 32 am a devastating earthquake of magnitude 6.3 on the Richter shook the town andthe area of Abruzzo.

"It was not a roar, it was a huge noise."And then the darkness. The apartment building, a structure armed dehormigón built in 1962 collapsed instantly ", recalls elmédico who was rescued from the wreckage six hours later." His wife ysu daughter did not survive, reports Nature.

"A persistent message from authorities of 'Keep calm, do not worry,' and the lack of asesoramientoespecífico", explains Vittorini, he deprived him and others the opportunity to detomar an informed decision about what to do in the night delterremoto. "That is why I feel betrayed by science," says and adds: "because didn't know certain things, which is a problem, oporque do not know how to communicate what they know, that it is also a problem".

Another witness, referred to in the Middle East deItalia on September 21, explains that públicaseñalaban security officials: "told us to be quiet and 'If you have problems', go to take a glass of wine '".

The trial commenced on 20 September withthe recognition of testimonies and the verification of the relatives of lasvíctimas that may participate in the process.

Defendants:

They are accused of homicidioinvoluntario, personal injury and cooperation by crime following involuntariolas people who met on March 31 for the evaluacionesde risk in L'Aquila,

Franco Barberi, President of the Commission GrandesRiesgos, Bernardo Bernardinis, Vice-President of the technical sector deldepartamento of Civil protection, Enzo Boschi, former President of the replaced of geophysics and volcanology, Giulio Selvaggi, director national delcentro national of earthquakes, Gian Michele Calvi, project director House, Claudio Eva, physicist of the University of Genoa and Mauro Dolce, director of Office of civil protection earthquake risk.

It was only presented in classroom B. D. Bernardinis, and after great discussions among lawyers and the judge Marco Bili, filtration continue to October 9, informs the Middle East.

Marco Billi stated that they were more than 300testigos to listen to, so if a hearing is made per month, as lehabrían requested some lawyers, the trial take about two years.

Accuser:

The President of the Association of familiaresde 309 victims of the earthquake, Vincenzo Vittorini and part of losacusadores, explained that the process will force to make cambiosen Italy emergency management by force.

"Not it can coordinate all later # quesuceden tragedies #, but that should begin earlier.", and adds, "EC is not a meeting of four friends in the bar, but a delEstado body and that in the limit as possible must protect human life," inf

[jand]

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Good morning. Julia Sisi, I had the opportunity of visiting L´Aquila, the last week, and the impression that receives the traveller is overwhelming. Most of the buildings have serious structural damage and should be torn down, but there is no money or to do so or pay the owners of the houses. All historic center remains underpinned, and the army still patrol the streets. All that the news is true. Even to people who wanted to abandon their homes, fearing greater shock, they convinced that everything was"normal", "which would no longer spend nothing" and...The city was lucky after all. An old worker who was on duty in the gas supply company, had the wisdom of closing the distribution válbulas. That saved a lot of people die abrasada in a violent explosion since the majority of gas pipes were affected. (Elena)


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