El Hierro

[jand]

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La plataforma de La Restinga abre una cuenta bancaria para ayudar a las personas afectadas
 La cuenta se ha abierto en la sucursal de Caja 7 de El Pinar. Todas las personas que deseen ayudar con sus donativos a las personas de La Restinga afectadas por el volcán pueden hacerlo en la cuenta: 3076/ 0380/ 23/ 2218208128.
 Los miembros de esta plataforma vecinal mantendrán una nueva reunión mañana, miércoles, 16 de noviembre, a las 16:00 horas en el centro cultural Luis Martín Arvelo de El Pinar. Posteriormente, a las 19:00 horas, la plataforma se reunirá con los vecinos de La Restinga.

La Restinga platform opens up a bank to help the people affected account account has been opened in box 7 of the pine branch. All persons who want to help with their donations of La Restinga people affected by the volcano can do it in the account: 3076 / 0380 / 23 / 2218208128.
 The members of this neighborhood platform keep another meeting tomorrow, Wednesday, November 16, 16: 00 hours at the cultural centre Luis Martín Arvelo del Pinar. Later, at 19: 00, the platform will meet with the residents of La Restinga.
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[jand]

Another 3.2 felt on the island NW El Hierro earlier this morning.

http://www.01.ign.es/ign/layoutIn/volcaDetalleTerremotos.do?evid=1112776&zona=2

[tamara_k]

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La cuenta se ha abierto en la sucursal de Caja 7 de El Pinar. Todas las personas que deseen ayudar con sus donativos a las personas de La Restinga afectadas por el volcán pueden hacerlo en la cuenta: 3076/ 0380/ 23/ 2218208128.
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Thanks for the info jand

I am not familiar with the spanish banking system yet - does that mean that I can drop in any bank, give them that long number and make a donation or do I need to look for a bank called "Caja 7" (assuming it's a name of the bank, maybe it's something else?)

[jand]

Comment On Avcan This Morning
Translated.

I believe that we are dealing with old images to measure.
 This photo is today miismo and does not seem to be the mouth at 1800 m from the port: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1360/mancha7.jpg could trick the prospect, but it gives me that it is another new mouth, or seems it, is not it?.
 So it is hard to give that information from IGN or they want to hide something?
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Fernando Ros Faig If you look at the picture of the satellite, the mouth that is appreciated is to the right looking from the Restinga sea, and in the photo I uploaded is virtually in front of the port.
Cannot be 2 spots it.

[jand]

Tamara

If you are paying money in through a Spanish Bank I am sure all you need is the 20 digit number.

If you are paying in money from a bank outside of Spain you will also need the Swfit Code and/or the Iban Number of the Caja 7 bank in El Hierro.

[jand]

laopinion.es

Translated

In the worst-case scenario, we would have two days to prepare todo´

Juan Manuel Santana, director-general of security and emergency, says that "it has not taken any decision which has not been endorsed by experts"

PEDRO war Juan Manuel Santana is the spokesperson for the Pevolca and has had to learn to flat out how manages a volcanic crisis. Seems to be sure that the decisions taken are appropriate, especially for what it is: the security of persons. While talking about the eruption of the North, says there is reaction time.


-How would rate the management of the seismic crisis of El Hierro?


-In general, well. We must take into account that it is the first time that turns on the Plan of Civil protection by risk volcanic (Pevolca), after the adoption of last year, and as everything new, there are issues to correct, but it is important to have available a tool that allows to manage the process and the associated risk. Let us remember that the Pevolca is what prevent and people are secure in a given risk.


- And this has been met?


-In this case the risk is associated is no rash or not, or that earthquakes occur or not. When they occur and are, people gets more nervous and assumes that there is the risk, but as it is spending time there is that feeling of habit and can coexist with the risk. The eruptive phenomenon is that; to the extent that there is increased activity, people feel that there is a particular risk and when you are spending time, relax. That is why it is very important to provide all the training and prior information of a process of this kind.


-When the Pevolca has to take a decision, how you think about people? How moves a member of the Pevolca to the skin of a neighbor of La Restinga, for example?


-Basically, decisions are made on the basis of what we are reporting the scientists: meet previously, observed data and communicated to the Steering Committee the evolution of the process and the risks that may come associated with that process. Ultimately, the responsibility rests with the Government of the Canary Islands, but other institutions that endorse the decisions are represented on the Pevolca. A decision that doesn't come backed by the Scientific Committee has not taken.


-From the technical point of view, do the Pevolca is convinced that the Roquillos tunnel is prepared to withstand an earthquake of great magnitude or opens the tunnel by demand citizen?


-Tunnel is a basic infrastructure in El Hierro. When it has been closed, you have not by their domestic conditions, but by the slopes of the access roads to the tunnel. The reports we have on the geological and mining of Spain (IGME) said that these slopes were the most susceptible to landslides. Linked to this, there are specific reports on the seismicity occurs and the risks. Decisions are made based on that and what has been tried is go tweaking measures in accordance with the specific risk that will determine us the technical. When access has been banned is the outer slopes, not through the interior of the tunnel, which has a problem that has always been partly attached to the interior, that for whatever reason, has not stuck well. There is no landslides inside the tunnel.


-Do is how complex the management of the crisis at border in case of eruption?


-To have more people there are more vulnerable and that makes everything more complex. Well it is true that the type of expected eruption is similar to the Teneguía, very fisural and very local. Depending on where it happens you may be more dangerous or not. Not flow lava, not believed that they may pose danger, but maybe by ash flow. We would be talking not direct dangers, but water pollution or the accumulation of ashes might provoke a collapse of some structure. It is not as expected, but everything is ready.


-In the worst possible scenarios on border, what would an evacuation?


-In the worst possible scenarios, with a type of eruption that acquire height and out of explosive character that currently not expected, to begin we would have at least two days to prepare it all, with very clear signs on the ground as a greater distortion and even cracks in the ground before that event the eruption. There would be a series of indicators that would make the decisions. And it should this happen, now everything is ready with the placement of shelters of a temporary nature in various locations in Valverde and also the possibility of evacuating people outside the island, to the South of Tenerife. Initially it would be done through the port of the stake after get people by road; If not, would have to use an airway for the Gulf. But this is something that is not contemplated at the moment.


-How long does the Pevolca which could prolong this seismic crisis?


-We don't know. Scientists have begun to see signs of crystallisation in the mater

[falkirkdan]

quote:Originally posted by jand

Tamara

If you are paying money in through a Spanish Bank I am sure all you need is the 20 digit number.

If you are paying in money from a bank outside of Spain you will also need the Swfit Code and/or the Iban Number of the Caja 7 bank in El Hierro.

Still say there are masses of more deserving cases.

[fifi]

Hi jand which part of AVCANS Facebook page did they put the bank information on ? If it is a reply to my question I just want to leave a message thanking them.

[jand]

Fifi

It was posted by a man called Oscar G Forta El Pinar on the Avcan FB page under the heading

otro mas de 3.0 en la zona del Golfo, el cuarto del día por encima de la magnitud 3, si lo habeis sentido, acordaros de rellenar, otro mas, el cuestionario del IGN, es muy importante (Enrique).
1112734 15/11/2011 21:21:43 27.7809 -18.0570 17 -1 3.0 4 NW FRONTERA.IHI http://www.01.ign.es/ign/layou#8203;tIn/geofisicaCuesmaCuesmaTerre#8203;motos.do

[jand]

Looks like La Palma is picking up their own signal now which is not related whats happening on El Hierro..

Avcan Translated.

http://www.01.ign.es/ign/resources/volcanologia/EHIG/imagenes_sismica/DIA_SP/EHIG_2011-11-16_sp.jpg

8: 30 am this morning there is a strange on the sensor signal CHIE Palma, but seeing that it has low frequencies and by the way, seems to be something of origin antropico, as the passage of a helicopter, we will have to confirm this, but something is safe, has all the earmarks of being a signal produced by the man-made island (Henry)

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It seems a sign of tremor but I am not able to relaccionarla with nothing outside of La Palma. Seeing out there in other pages do not see any nearby earthquake or lajano that can justify it. Besides, for me is as a sign of tremor with three episodes, and a Hz signal is very high, as if it were produced by an outflow of gases by a small fissure. Or not. !

[fifi]

Thanks jand, that saves me trawling through hundreds of posts.[] I asked for the IBAN number and Swift code under that post.

[jand]

Posted on Avcan

Henry, I wonder if what is happening in El Hierro has something to do with La Palma, and above all with the mountain or the CUMBRE VIEJA volcano. Thank you.
17 minutes ago · Like · Original

El helicóptero volando sobre el volcán...

Translated

Someone has just posted the helicopter is flying over the volcano at the moment.

[woe10]

jand, if you and Fifi want to message each other all the time, why don´t you use Microsoft Messenger, instead of writing a load of Piffle every 2 minutes on the Forum.

A helicopter just flew over my house 5 minutes ago, does that mean we´re have a Volcanic Eruption.

[tamara_k]

jand - thanks again. I will try paying via one of the banks in corralejo, so hopefully the number will be enough

[TripleH]

quote:Originally posted by woe10

jand, if you and Fifi want to message each other all the time, why don´t you use Microsoft Messenger, instead of writing a load of Piffle every 2 minutes on the Forum.

A helicopter just flew over my house 5 minutes ago, does that mean we´re have a Volcanic Eruption.

Thats amazing Woe because one flew over mine yesterday, wonder if its the same one? I am in the West Midlands. What you having for tea tonight?

[jand]

Woe

 The post about the helicopter was in relation to the post about could the erruptions in El Hierro be infact due to the movement of the Volcano in La Palma as per the graph posted.

I did not mention anything about a Volcano flying over a house especially yours !!!

[jand]

Triple H

I suggest you read the relevant post without jumping on the band wagon!!!

[jand]

http://www.01.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesAnterioresDia.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2011-11-16&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2011&Mes=11&Dia=16

Another explosion shown on the graph.

Where there is a gap in the harmonic tremor means there has been an explosion in the flow of magma.

[jand]

http://tenerife.todogeologia.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1798&start=1200

Translated.

A good job of the ship ocenográfico of the IEO. An impressive task for the short time it takes in El Hierro. Congratulations.

In addition, its sensors have proved of great importance to the volcanic monitoring in areas such as location of points of emission of lava and/or gases, underwater topography and changes that have occurred and other marine parameters.

The last report, deserves a detailed reading, but so briefly, proved the existence in the North of colon emsión I guess gas. The simple explanation of this phenomenon is given by the geological history of the area. We know that there was a giant gravitational landslide, precipitating Seaview the North flank of the old El Golfo stratovolcano. Terrerstre scar is the Valley and these huge cliffs of Vertigo. The landslide was not only in the visible part but also in the underwater. After this enormous avalanche of materials, was north of the island set up as a large VAT open towards the North, which can be seen in bathymetry. Subsequently, the volcanic activity partially filled this bucket. It is assumed that much of the later volcanic activity would come from the magma chamber suddenly despresurizada.

The current situation in the Gulf is thus a great cubera open towards the North and overlapping, a series of cast subsequent materials that have completed her part. On the sides of the great depression, there is therefore a band of contact between materials and old and other modern (filling). Right in the more advanced side ends is where these emissions has been detected.

One possible explanation is that in these areas contact different materials on other older. There is a crack that will use underground gases to escape. Something similar occurs in Las Cañadas del Teide, sector Court seven canyons, which tend to register gas emissions including radon. There also are former materaial contact, these walls and its underground extension with more modern materials that cover.

Unfortunately do not have previous information of those leaks and if already occurred prior to the volcanic crisis. But, taking into account that there is a distortion present and particularly in the northern zone, at least according to recent data, there is also a seismic between 15-25 Km depth precisely in the center of the bucket, and also in highly likely in that sector a significant magmatic intrusion, such as powerful underground pressure and fracturing caused by the earthquakethey have caused these emissions of gases. They have just come across areas where more easily could do.

Hypothetically, I say this because the data of gases is rather a disaster of presentation and consultation, it is very possible that there are emissions of gases at the feet of the cliffs in the Valley of the Gulf and exactly for the same reason, i.e. they are areas of contact with ancient materials (cliffs) and from subsequent fills horizontal ground.

Having probably terrestrial and underwater gas emissions also, that having a magmatic and seismic intrusion of magnitudes of record with high probability, not have registered (officially) signs of such activity, leave it pending for the time being.

[jand]

http://foro.tiempo.com/seguimiento-especial-crisis-sismicavolcanica-en-el-hierro-t135081.2892.html

Good Blog with photos and maps will need translation though as in Spanish.

[jand]

Update 16/11 – 10:45 UTC : Discovering volcano vent activity
 After looking a while to the webcam the stain was gradually floating to the right of the screen, which meant that NO new magmatic material arrived at the surface.  Gradually, the vent opened and the stain was fed again with new material.
 How to see ? Play the video and keep watching the left part of the stain. We have compressed 2 minutes into 18 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8oIv0Gv_qI&feature=player_embedded

[jand]

earthquake-report.com

Update 16/11 – 09:38 UTC :
 Based on the webcam images we have noticed a much stronger vent activity during a very limited time (left corner of the stain). The stronger activity should have coincided with a burst in harmonic tremor (you van check this together with us by looking at the approx. 09:38 harmonic tremor graph).

Update 16/11 – 09:16 UTC :
 The stain is still significantly present this morning.  It was diluted by the wind and the current yesterday evening but has reactivated during the night. This means that the eruption of the vent below is continuing. No Jacuzzi or hot ejected magmatic material.

Update 16/11 – 07:53 – La Restinga Webcam saga (continued)
 - Yesterday evening Joke Volta has written an E-mail to a couple of important people at El Hierro, including Alpidio Armas, the president of El Hierro, the tourist board of El Pinar and (in copy) to Sr. Fernando, a former fisherman and elected representative of the La Restinga people.
 She quoted that on behalf of the people from around the world reading our website, something has to be done for the quality of the eruption webcam.
 The picture to the right is, we think, the current location of the eruption webcam
 - We might be successful already, as the Eruption webcam image has disappeared this morning and has been replaced by the image of the village webcam. A clear sign that work is currently done ?.
 - We also want to stress that we have offered the help from our readers for a better quality webcam.

[jand]

jonfr.com/volcano

M. Randolph Kruger says:

 November 16, 2011 at 14:29


Re: Cave systems of El Hierro. What we have seen from the posts is various discovered caves but for me it never was able to explain the sulfur smells in the face of the high winds they have been seeing.

So, lets play devils advocate. I counted like 23 caves in the vicinity of El Golfo and thats the ones I could find, and 10 or 11 down in La Calmas and a few to the north. The ones to the north are very obscured, collapsed mostly and likely old lava tube ends.

We also have the nicest lava tube for hundreds of miles around and its the tunnel from one side of the island to the other. Very cool and also at a depth that if this thing gets magma into the center via a tube or another vent will pour this stuff out into the population centers and well, make a new volcano that shouldnt be there. But we also have to consider the old tubes in the volcano to be there even though they arent seen. They are likely loaded with water, possibly sealed and they are steam bombs waiting for the burner to be lit.

My first clue about this was that Jon was talking above about steamers popping up in Iceland. That tells me that there isnt any magma yet into the main island because there isnt any steam and frankly I couldnt find anything that indicated that heat was rising in the internals of the island. But, they could save a box load of people if they instrumented the things now just in case. If the temp starts to rise even slightly and approaching 110 F then it will steam regardless as heat will interact with the air and make condensation. Lower than that if the air is cold.

The islanders need to be made aware also that the gases could build up in that tube system and their vaunted tunnel and emerge without warning. Flammable gas, poisonous gas, and it could come creeping out in the middle of the night (most likely at that time because the winds are calm) and roll into one of the population centers.

"Smelling" a gas of any kind or seeing steam is bad, bad ju-ju because its a warning sign, possibly a sign of impending death. It doesnt matter which gas gets you, you are just as dead. Co2, HSo2, So2 or a six pack of Bud Lite to the head and all will take you out.

Its an observation that I am making here. I have no knowledge that this is where the gases are coming from especially around El Golfo, but the fact that they can smell it means its rising from the ground somewhere. It would be a real kick in the butt if they found they were parked on top of an old lava tube filled with gas today, and magma tomorrow.

[Villan]

Never seen so many steaming floaters.

[jand]

http://www.01.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesAnterioresDia.do?nombreFichero=EHIG_2011-11-16&estacion=EHIG&Anio=2011&Mes=11&Dia=16

This is the graph from La Palma showing something at 0825 this morning which was not picked up or shown on the other islands.

[jand]

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103796068444305482294/albums/5675591085008982465#photos/103796068444305482294/albums/5675591085008982465

Pictures taken this morning by the helicopter.

[TripleH]

jand, I honestly think you could be heading for a breakdown

[jand]

http://www.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesAnterioresDia.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2011-11-16&ver=s&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2011&Mes=11&Dia=16&tipo=1

Harmonic Tremors really strong on El Hierro at the moment.

[jand]

A reply to the previous post regarding the caves under El Hierro

Alyson says:

 November 16, 2011 at 15:03

I agree that there is evidence of previous volcanic activity all over the island, and the cones and empty tubes suggest that gases are the main event, otherwise surely the tubes would remain full?

The breaks are also areas of concern, as it is not immediately evident what might precipitate a collapse or shear in a particular location. Lurking's magnificent graphs show La Restinga was raised before Bob, and lowered after, while El Golfo, and west, now shows raised areas.

It is also worth recalling that before the quakes moved north and deeper, they were centred under the island. I haven't got my head round what the connection might be. The concept of crystallised magma remaining from previous eruptions seems somehow unevidenced. The wetness of the interior of Bob's floaters suggests several different areas of the island and the crust below, consist of different chemical mixes.

The missing El Golfo section and the long period of time since the last major eruption also leave many unanswered questions as to how to predict the risk accurately and safely.

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Alyson says:

 November 16, 2011 at 15:31

Also a vent to the north-east of El Golfo was unexpected to my mind. If the 2 vents to east and west in El Golfo indicate the diameter of a hot spot plume then it is very large potentially.

[woe10]

quote:Originally posted by TripleH

jand, I honestly think you could be heading for a breakdown

jand is definately loosing the plot,  going to end up in a loony bin at this rate. Can´t Admin do something.

Now they´re mentioning volcanoes fly over houses.[][][][]