El Hierro

[TripleH]

quote:Originally posted by jand

SurfJames

As a certain amount of people on here think I am a raving looney then think its best I dont divulge what work I do on the island cos I get enough ribbing on here about my posts about El Hierro and dont want anymore.

My part time work is being an avid El Hierro Volcano follower and proud to be part of the FiJanSurfPenny Detective Agency!!!!

Aw jand, spill the beans. I promise I won't rib

[kevin2003]

quote:Originally posted by SurfJames

Can I ask what you do jand and fifi?

[fifi]

Lovely pic of the two of us.[][]

[jand]

Yesterday the graph of La Palma was showing movements and today the graph is showing more.

[jand]

[kevin2003]

[gusangus]

yogi bear territory looks as if it could really cause big problems for the whole world
 http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm

[TripleH]

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconioses  is the longest English word. Fact not fiction

[kevin2003]

quote:Originally posted by gusangus

yogi bear territory looks as if it could really cause big problems for the whole world
 http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm

[TripleH]

For anyone who has just joined this thread and does not want to read 7 pages worth of information. Here is a quick recap:

Hierro has been having lots of earthquakes and there is an underground volcano starting to blow its top just off the island. Oh, and jand has worn out 2 keyboards. Bless her


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[fifi]

Drumbeats... http://volcanocafe.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/drumbeats-of-el-hierro/

This afternoons IGN  graph shown on the website above    was forcefully released thanks to EU and Swedish law. Ridiculous the way they are trying to hide information isnt it?

[n/a]

This thread is like a bad car crash. You know you really don't want to look but you just can't help yourself. The only difference is a  car crash is worth crossing the road for.

[jand]

Morning Everyone

Fifi thanks for that link re drumbeats .

Have copied below comments from people on this site these people were actually first posting on jonfr,com/volcano but have set up their own website now.

Lurkimg and Carl are the brains who have plotted all the graphs and maps using info from IGN.

Its very intersting they are mentioning Tangananosa as its been my gut feeling as I have mentioned before I also think that the magma is feeding this Volcano and IMO she is going to be the crux in the outcome of El Hierro.

GeoLoco says:

 November 29, 2011 at 20:20

First thought some weeks ago, in the beginning of the eruption. The "main mountain" is there for a reason, and with this kind of magma you still have old pathways that could offer an interesting way up. Now all took long because Bob and the bobettes intermediately released some of the energy and work was less concentrated on the "main event" preparation. Now we catched up and there we go on banging hard.

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Carl le Strange says:

 November 29, 2011 at 20:25

My dark thoughts exactly.
 I hope we get a kick in the pants of this theory, because if we are right, then it will not be fun to be at El Hierro without a big helmet on the head.

But, if worst comes to worst we might have a plot showing where it will happen.

schteve says:

 November 29, 2011 at 20:35

I had that exact thought when the Tanganasoga Inflation post was posted...

Carl le Strange says:

 November 29, 2011 at 20:40

Yes, and that is still going on at Tanganasoga.
 There are also other things going on under there.

[jand]

Drumbeats are also showing on La Gomera aswell.



Drumbeats. I don't know if anyone mentioned it but they are on the La Gomera seismograph as well. Whatever it is it carries well.

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Newby says:

 November 29, 2011 at 20:31

Yes I find that interesting eyeofskye. Those other seismographs seem to be showing much more than they did weeks ago and that same pattern is most definitely there as you say.

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Carl le Strange says:

 November 29, 2011 at 20:34

Yes, it is very interesting.

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[jand]

For those of who who may be wondering what Drumbeats are please see the graph below.

Copied from worldpressvolcano.

A magmatectonic phenomenon called Drumbeats was originally discovered by the USGS at Mount Saint Helens Back in 2006. At 16.15 a similar phenomenon started at El Hierro in the Canary Islands, Spain.

They are low frequency events.

[jand]

http://www.isla.hawaii.edu/volcano/IWARS06/pdf_presentations/matoza_iwars06_sthelens.pdf

Very Interesting .

[jand]

Fifi

Yes I agree Fifi how IGN have been holding information is ridiculous its just a good job that people who know what they are talking about have picked this up and also Avcan and Involcan have also been on the ball aswell as have been the residents themselves on El Hierro as they have giving the world important information as it is actually happening.

[jand]

Avcan Posted this Translated

During the last hours we are having a strange signal on the seismographs, on top of the tremor and explosions, but it shows things that lead to thinking that it's not something natural, especially since it's very regular, which points to a human source. The new thing we have in the area is a huge vessel and therefor it certaiinly corresponds to the Sonar of the BIO Sarmiento de Gamboa that is doing sweeps to make some multi-channel profiles of that area of El Hierro (a penetration under the seabed of over 15 km), which sounds are caught by the sensor of the CHIE station of the IGN and which appear as straight bars in the spectogram (Enrique).

Mystery solved? And good to know that perhaps we'll be allowed a look in the innards of Bob!

Interesting that other people disagree with this and give their reasons below.
Carl le Strange says:

 November 29, 2011 at 21:11


AVCAN is wrong, that is NOT an Sonar sweep. How can I know? I used to construct sonars.

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schteve says:

 November 29, 2011 at 21:14

Surely would be an awesome sonar; to be picked up at EGOM...

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Carl le Strange says:

 November 29, 2011 at 21:17

Yes, I forgot to say that I did the 50 to 160 KG TNT by comparison with EGOM. Unless someone is dropping a ship mine into Bob every other minute it is not man-made.


Newby says:

 November 29, 2011 at 21:14


Good one Carl!

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Newby says:

 November 29, 2011 at 21:17

It really worries me that they keep wanting to deny that volcanic things could be happening under El Hierro. How can they make proper plans with no proper knowledge. A dangerous way to look at things.

Carl le Strange says:

 November 29, 2011 at 21:14


Lughduniense:

For it to go from the ship the energy equivalent needed to be between 50 to 160 kg of TNT explosive. AVCAN are just being ignorant on basic physics.

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GeoLoco says:

 November 29, 2011 at 21:22

Absolutely. I have a big "scale issue" with that theory from Avcan.

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Lughduniense says:

 November 29, 2011 at 23:03


Thanks Carl for enlighten me/us on this one

[TripleH]

Can't wait for Kevins view on drumbeats

[jand]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3obRoIBxr4&feature=player_embedded#!

Drumbeats From El Hierro In Audio.

[SurfJames]

Good mornng jand. []

So, can we assume that the drum beats are probably a natural phenomena due to the heating of rocks as the magma rises. Is it similar to your central heating pipes 'ticking' when first turned on and hot water surges through the system, expanding the copper pipes?

Does anyone have a map / photo showing the exact location of Tanganasoga?

ps Just listened to your link of the drum beats. It sounds most odd and almost sinister if you imagine the magam making its way to the surface.[:0] [][][8D]

[jand]

[jand]

[jand]

Julio Del Castillo Vivero: Physics lesson

A short lesson of physics seems to be in order here. The reason for this is that Avcan has stated something that is plain wrong regarding a ship putting out "pulses" that creates the Drumbeats.

The energy in each pulse (drumbeat) is a function of amplitude times duration. In this case the required energy needed in each pulse varies between 60MJ and 360 MJ. What is that then? Well, that would be the same as 60 to 360 mega-Watts of electricity. Or 60 to 360 cars hitting the same spot at 100 km/h each. Or 15 to 83kg of C4 explosive. To put it mildly, there is no ship and no equipment on El Hierro capable of producing that every other minute for hours. Pure, and simple physics. Remember that we can see the signal on other stations, on other islands.

Logic is good, but physics is better when dealing with nature!

I simply keep waiting and watching and reading continued, AVCAN thank for their dedication and perseverance, it is priceless.

David Brito: Juan Ramon de La Palma is a man-made noise caused by a work or something close ... it takes a week gone ... Gamboa takes less than a day in the iron, so that the pulse is seen in the spectrogram CHIE schedule starting at 17 am today is by boat .... anthropic what you see on the other islands is not by this ship

Jose Luis Magaz: Bueu are in this article says that these drumbeats of iron requires an energy of 60 to 360 MW. Is an animal because the energy produced by combined cycle such as those in the CT Barranco de Tirajana (4) in Gran Canaria and the CT Granadilla (4) in Tenerife produce 218 MW each (of this I mean a while because I dedicate myself to it). I tell you the Sarmiento de Gamboa can not give so much power with three diesel engines that reach 590 KW together. But if you look at the gear he wears, if it is possible to cause that kind of pulses "drumbeats".
 [link to www.utm.csic.es]

Son de Bueu: What we are saying is that coffee volcano would be a kind of phenomenon that has occurred Volcanological and earlier in other volcanoes.
They rely to say that the energy of each pulse .. large, too large to be produced by a mechanism of scientific exploration. His comparison was ..
"It's like someone throwing estubo antitank mines every 2 minutes."

As I know not the power generated by air guns used to generate pulses Sarmiento seismic, so ask
Do we have a new seismic signal, as they say on that site .. or are the guns of Gamboa as 'powerful'?

Octavio Fernández: Bueu are, I do not know "the extent of pepinazos" that can give the guns of Gamboa, or interpret the spectrogram on so many levels to see if it's a huge energy that is reflected or not. But ... Does not it seem too coincidental appearance of the "drumbeats" just when the boat is out there and its disappearance when going to another part of the island? And that the pulses are so regular?

Applying common sense, I think you said that in the wrong coffee volcano. But as has also been said out there, depending on what the boat the next few hours and what we see in the spectrogram, we will have good clues.
Ockham's razor if we get * a bag, then the ship who causes the pulse:)

* The principle of Ockham's Razor says something like "equal, the simplest explanation is usually true."

[jand]

SurfJames

Yes I think thats how people are comparing the Drumbeats.

Copied below more comments.

GeoLurking says:

 November 29, 2011 at 20:01


Now.. about the drum beats.

I am not familiar with this phenomena... I am familiar with water hammer and chattering pipes when the system falls into resonance.

Is this what is happening? I would have thought that some one was out there with a piece of heavy equipment.

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Carl le Strange says:

 November 29, 2011 at 20:06


50 to 160 kg of ordinance...
 I would say that is a bit much on the equipment side.

I would say that something is either being pushed, or it is actually a water (magma) hammer.

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[tamara_k]

fifi - can you please explain a bit more about "This afternoons IGN graph shown on the website above was forcefully released thanks to EU and Swedish law" - especially "swedish" bit, as that is very puzzling statement.

I mean, it seems that, having no equipment of their own, all amateur/unaffiliated volcano watchers are mostly getting their factual info off ign and some other academic/governmental sources. While academic institutions are often under obligation to release some of their data (due to the funding being public), they are under no obligation, usually, to release their data immediately after it is obtained.

And the "official" scientists are under a lot more pressure to consider their theories/interpretations carefully before releasing them, they can't just have a brief look at the graph and start bashing at the keyboard. Their interpretation of facts can't be published immediately.

So, who has forced whom to do what exactly?

check words of Ian Carson, posted by jand, in the beginning of this page - "The authorities seem very well prepared and spare no expense in ensuring the safety of the population whilst keeping them 'on board' and informed. I have been very impressed.". So, he was impressed, an you, for instance, are not, right? Assuming "the authorities" care about impressing you or jand - what would you have them do? Just out of curiosity?

[jand]

Tamara K

Ian Carson was just a visitor to the island and he was reporting what he saw to earthquake-report.com and was posting the photos he took on El Hierro aswell .

Some of the amateur people commenting are professionals in their own rights eg geologists scientists and if you read their comments and look at the graphs they have plotted they are actually spot on.

As far as I understand  Carl is a Swedish National and he is disgusted how information from IGN has been doctured or withheld and he has noticed this when he has been  plotting his graphs and maps when things have not made sense.

There is so much discussions on the internet now on lots of sites from people all over the world and lots of people are showing interest and are pointing out themselves that information from Ign is not correct or being witheld.

Another persons comments  below.

Something is bothering me and I can't let it go. Should probably just go to bed but oh well....

Here is the graph showing when the signals began with a large strange signal thru approximately 16:20:
 [link to www.ign.es]

Notice below, the first shallow quake at 16:19:
2011/11/29 16:19:23.24 27.6160 -18.0755 3.70 2.70 28 2.10 3.3 1.60 0 8 8 0.40 283.0 1115502 SW EL PINAR.IHI

The odd two minute signals started at the very same time as this shallow EQ at precisely 16:20. I sure would like to know if sea floor mapping could cause such a series of events.

The next shallow quake happened at 16:22:
2011/11/29 16:22:29.24 27.6536 -18.0758 4.60 3.10 8 3.80 3.3 1.40 0 8 8 0.29 255.0 1115503 SW EL PINAR.IHI

This quake does not show on the frequency chart as there is one of these signals at that time and the EQ was only 1.4 mag. There is then a large explosion at 16:30 and they keep coming at similar strength until 20:40 when a big explosion occurs, followed by another at 20:58 and 21:22. This is followed by eratic seismic tremors until 22:10 when another major explosion occurs. Things begin to calm down after this explosion until 23:00 to 24:00 hours when the tremors become very eratic again with constant explosions, which continue through 01:58. Another large explosion occured during that time. During the 2:00 to current time period things calm down a bit but the explosions keep coming, they are just smaller.

This is the last quake IGN has listed:
2011/11/29 17:16:15.46 27.7655 -18.0631 37.30 6.90 164 21.70 7.1 2.20 0 5 5 0.18 209.0 1115509 W FRONTERA.IHI

It is coming up on 10 hours since there has been a quake listed at this time.

[jand]

http://212.170.244.196/

Looks like the ship is out again on the panoramic view.

[tamara_k]

ok, jand, so Ian is "just a visitor". And you are not even "just a visitor" to El Hierro, right? So, can you please tell me what exactly you want the authorities to do to be impressed.

Forget "exactly", approximately will do.

Also - about who is forced whom to do what again? Are you suggesting that Carl was forced to do something by swedish law, as he is swedish? Otherwise how swedish comes into it at all?

[jand]

TamaraK

I personally do not want to be impressed by anyone or any organisation all I am doing is taking an interest in El Hierro which personally I find fascinating and very educational and I am posting information press releases maps graphs etc etc.

Its then up to each person to choose to read my posts if they want.

If a person reads one of my posts they can then form their own opinion of what has been posted and if they wish can then follow them up.