Buggy Tours- Excursions

[dagwood]

You will find a few undesirables here and there but that's probably the price you pay.     

Your citation Dagwood !

Yes that`s what I wrote but the word Few gives the game away. Unless you plan to move to moon you`ll meet them. That`s life in 2017. I believe there less on Fuerteventura than most maybe not all inhabited parts of this earth.

[dagwood]

I`m wondering if we can have a consensus of opinion on what an undesirable is. For instance looking  back to the old days a person who had the cheek to play music on a pirate radio station would have been a hero to me but an undesirable to the establishment. This was for no other reason but the establishment didn`t have full control on what music was played. Or somebody who played Soul Music would be an undesirable to someone who believes in white supremacy.
Or just someone who was poor.

[dagwood]

undesirables on FV. 

highest increase in crime per year in EU.

followed second by tenerife.

GC not far behind.

% wise I`d have to agree but from a very low base. Or maybe the police are a bit more proactive.

[suendrob]

Back on track; Fuerteventura, in common with the rest of the world, is modernising. Modernisation is an unstoppable force.

Ever since Thomas Cook took his first party on a package tour n years ago, people have been complaining about tourism spoiling their local area, visitors complaining that development is changing that unspoilt place they 'discovered'.

Expansion, modernisation, 'improvement' marches through every tourist destination and always has done. To find an 'unspoilt' destination will mean travelling ever further. Visiting it will, of course, create change. And so the cycle continues.

You need a dredger and a couple of diggers to create your own personal atoll - probably in the South China Sea - in order to have your idyll. Then your family and friends will want to visit. Repeat.

Things change, they can't be stopped, live with it.

[suendrob]

undesirables on FV. 

highest increase in crime per year in EU.

followed second by tenerife.

GC not far behind.

I think that should be reported crime?

[suendrob]

For instance looking  back to the old days a person who had the cheek to play music on a pirate radio station would have been a hero to me

ha, i've played on lots of pirate radoi stations!

Including QFM? (at least, I believe that's what it's called)

[dagwood]

Back on track; Fuerteventura, in common with the rest of the world, is modernising. Modernisation is an unstoppable force.

Ever since Thomas Cook took his first party on a package tour n years ago, people have been complaining about tourism spoiling their local area, visitors complaining that development is changing that unspoilt place they 'discovered'.

Expansion, modernisation, 'improvement' marches through every tourist destination and always has done. To find an 'unspoilt' destination will mean travelling ever further. Visiting it will, of course, create change. And so the cycle continues.

You need a dredger and a couple of diggers to create your own personal atoll - probably in the South China Sea - in order to have your idyll. Then your family and friends will want to visit. Repeat.

Things change, they can't be stopped, live with it.

imagine how the indigenous  people all over the world felt when brits/French/Dutch etc arrived to civilize them and also brought with them every Disaese known man.

[spitfire58]

This came up today:

Quad and Buggy Excursions Shut Down

La Oliva Municipal Council have ordered 5 companies that offer Buggy and Quad Excursions in the Northern Municipality to cease the activity with immediate effect. La Oliva have stated that none of the companies have proper authorisation to run transport, none have authorisation to operate in a nature reserve, none have permission to operate in public coastal areas and none have authorisation to operate on pastoral pathways. The council also found that 3 of the affected companies lack opening licences for their premises, and that 3 of the companies lacked the required permission from the Canary Islands Tourist Authority.

They obviously thought they could do just as they liked so no wonder & rightly so that they were shut down.

Also means that should someone tick all the boxes then no reason they couldn`t continue in business.

In the right place (routes) & by following regulations it is a good tourist attraction/event for the island.

[dagwood]

This came up today:

Quad and Buggy Excursions Shut Down

La Oliva Municipal Council have ordered 5 companies that offer Buggy and Quad Excursions in the Northern Municipality to cease the activity with immediate effect. La Oliva have stated that none of the companies have proper authorisation to run transport, none have authorisation to operate in a nature reserve, none have permission to operate in public coastal areas and none have authorisation to operate on pastoral pathways. The council also found that 3 of the affected companies lack opening licences for their premises, and that 3 of the companies lacked the required permission from the Canary Islands Tourist Authority.

They obviously thought they could do just as they liked so no wonder & rightly so that they were shut down.

Also means that should someone tick all the boxes then no reason they couldn`t continue in business.

In the right place (routes) & by following regulations it is a good tourist attraction/event for the island.

I would hate to think if there was a serious accident with these Illegal outfits would the owners pay compensation to the injured party if the insurance failed to provide cover for an illegal business.

[Tamkid]

I blame it all on breast feeding children up to the age of 5, pass me another Stella lass, I love this forum.

[dagwood]

I blame it all on breast feeding children up to the age of 5, pass me another Stella lass, I love this forum.

Keep off the popcorn you know what does to ya.

[spitfire58]

so, in reality what has happened here is a few people offered something what was not available on the rock to tourists (thier main income), the local government didnt understand how to deal with it and didnt set out rules for a business of that kind to operate to the people willing to put thier own hard earned into creating somthing that brings in more business for fuerte so they just shut them down, stupid in my eyes.

the rock needs to be one step ahead, it's not (but its screwing people over for trying to make the rock more interesting)

I would find it hard to believe the authorities didn`t know or couldn`t find out how to deal with the buggy situation, it`s not like it is a completely new phenomenon but regardless no business that provides a potentially life threatening activity to the general public should be allowed to do so without the proper licenses & insurances in place. Pretty basic stuff in my opinion really !!

[dagwood]

Probably a case of your dammed if you do or dammed if you don`t. If something serious happened we would all be saying it should have been regulated.

[suendrob]

The Quad and buggy tours are, indeed a great benefit to visitors (who do need protecting from unsafe machines and poor organisation).
They are not only entertaining, but they get the riders out into the open landscape to experience the true beauty of the Island. I would say that there should be more stops and photo opportunities.
The first time we indulged, in October 011, we booked from a depot just off Corralejo main street, the machines were terrible - well worn, poorly maintained - but, we gauged that it was safe enough at the anticipated speeds.
We've seen them since - they hadn't improved, so they, in particular, really need to be controlled.

Then, the year before last, we had a quad each from Corralejo main street. Bigger, newer, well looked after. Unfortunately, another rider kept playing up and annoyed the others. Eventually he was told in no uncertain terms that he would be left to walk back.  No more trouble. This was an Afrikaaner in his 40's (another undesirable?)

We've met the tours when we're driving around, they don't seem to cause too much trouble for other traffic, though they're pretty much restricted to 30kph (20mph) they don't spend much time on the metalled roads.

With properly administered controls, we really want to see them continue.

As it appears that legislation already existed, it seems strange that the councils did not monitor the operators already.

[Snowdrop]

Undesirables - yup all the ones doing the Robberies defo - and the crazy drivers that have no regard for other motorists.

[spitfire58]

and that throws up another point, why do you need to ask permission to invest in the spanish economy ?

you dont have to do that in many many other places (although if you dont comply with safety you go to jail, seems to be a good enough deterrant in other territories)

Not sure but suspect that some categories of business in most countries would need licensing, not exactly “asking permission” but close to it suppose.
Doubt you would be able to open say a scuba centre or sky diving centre without one

[spitfire58]

Undesirables - yup all the ones doing the Robberies defo - and the crazy drivers that have no regard for other motorists.

far too many roberies at the moment, far too many gassing robberies going on for my liking. I can fit un pickable locks, I can fit snow chains you will take over 48 hours to cut though, I can fit bars on the windows and doors to sop break ins, but I dont have a solution for these fuckers gassing you in your sleep and stealing your stuff.

and they are doing this right now.

Not much point in gassing you though if they can`t get in. Better locks, bars, alarm system etc are well worth the investment in the current climate I would say

[zedzedeleven]

Gassing. Urban myth?

[paully]

According to reports elsewhere,the Buggy tours that restarted were using tarmac roads for part of their journeys, if in fact not most of it. The new complaints came from Traffico and the Bus Companies.All Spanish of course.

  To take the slightly cynical view..They will return once the `Foreign` owners have given up trying and so the locals and their relatives will resurrect this business, but without any restrictions and easily obtainable licences.