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[chrisandco]

I have just noticed that there have been 7,790 "reads" of this thread. On a law of averages, that could be 500-1,000 people who are interested enough to take a look. It would be really good to hear their views, as well as us regulars (some more than others!) so we can see things from a wider perspective.
If you live here or holiday here, tell us all what you think.

[paully]

Maybe they are frightened that if they give the wrong opinion they will get slaughtered 

[erik_tonny]

If you live here or holiday here, tell us all what you think.

Letting a house in a domestic area to a bunch of noisy holiday makers is an antisocial crime against your neighbors.
If you can't afford a house without the rent, you can't afford it! So stay home and save some more money and save us the nuisance.
(we, nor any of the neighbors let their homes)

[chrisandco]

Hi Erik.
You have summed up the craziness of the situation perfectly. Under the new regulations, renting a home for vacation purposes in a tourist area is illegal but it is ok (with some caveats) in a residential area, which, I assume, you live in.
Chris

[Ivemovedon]

and there you have it. The real reason very few choose to voice an opinion or get involved in rental debate.

Nice one sperik.

[TamaraEnLaPlaya]

Under the new regulations, renting a home for vacation purposes in a tourist area is illegal but it is ok (with some caveats) in a residential area,
Chris

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My reading of the regs is that rentals in a residential zone (unless it is licensed as a Casa Rurale or whatever the term is) need to be for a minimum of 6 months - I wouldn't class that as a vacation let. Perhaps I've got totally confused though - I seem to have read so much about it that it is all muddling in together.
I do feel sorry for the people who bought properties in the belief that they could legally rent them out as holiday lets, I'm sure they thought they had done due diligence, and by saying 'legally' I do mean that they were intending everything  to be above board, declaring the income for tax purposes and maintaining good and safe standards etc.

[appy ammer]

we were as guilty as the rest of believing that the investment we bought in 2004 and was ours to do as we wished, although we had no intention of letting until a very good friend and music bar owner asked if friends of his could rent. For a couple of years we did this ignorant that we were breaking the law. Our only experience of renting was from the 500 property portfolio we had in the uk which believe it or not said we could do what we wanted as long as it met regulations. Once the 2008 crash came we could not wait to get out of our property in Caleta, sold at a loss but recouped on the exchange rate which was @ 1.03 euros to the pound.

I would agree with the likes of Spike and Woe if I thought the owners were Rachman or other slum landlords but their not ,just ordinary working people with a bit of a dream caught up in misinformation and a corrupt underbelly

ps Spike and Woe just to let you know we paid any tax due on our sale and received 3000 euro rebate last month the tax man held till he was Appy he'd bled every penny he was entitled to, not bad only took 6years. Don't give up god loves a trier 

[woe10]

ps, Spike and Woe just to let you know we paid any tax due on our sale and received 3000 euro rebate last month the tax man held till he was Appy he'd bled every penny he was entitled to, not bad only took 6years. Don't give up god loves a trier 

Well done Appy, the thing is, some people are renting out their property on a regular basis, and sticking the money in their back pockets without declaring it as taxable earnings, which it is. I know some of these people personally, and I have to bite my lip when they brag about how many bookings they have.

As you know, as a Bar owner, you're paying through the nose to the taxman for everything. Tax to play background music, tax to have live music, tax on how many TVs you have, how many tables you have, how big is the terrace, how long is the bar, fire extinguishers, etc .. and you can't get away with it as the Old Bill are checking all the time.

Who's checking on the illegal lets.

[Ivemovedon]

same people who should have been checking on mis-selling.

[el caballo hambriento]

Is it possible to view maps online to see how property areas are classified?

[woe10]

Is it possible to view maps online to see how property areas are classified?

   http://www.cabildofuer.es/portal/RecursosWeb/DOCUMENTOS/1/0_5199_1.pdf

   http://www.cabildofuer.es/portal/RecursosWeb/DOCUMENTOS/1/0_5214_1.pdf

Big files, so quite slow to load.

[Fred]

I have been unable to open the files which show the classification of areas.
Does anyone know which category the Sultan/Tamarindo area in Corralejo is in?

[woe10]

Not sure where those two places are, but the shaded areas are a no no.

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[el caballo hambriento]

These links do not lead to any documents.  I took a screen shot but do not know how to upload/attach it to this message.

Is it possible to view maps online to see how property areas are classified?

   http://www.cabildofuer.es/portal/RecursosWeb/DOCUMENTOS/1/0_5199_1.pdf

   http://www.cabildofuer.es/portal/RecursosWeb/DOCUMENTOS/1/0_5214_1.pdf

Big files, so quite slow to load.

[Archer]

The Cabildo seem to have taken the maps down, as they were only a guide. The advice given by Jane Anscombe is ask what the status is for each and every property.

[Fred]

Thanks Woe.
It looks like most of Corralejo is shaded.

[woe10]

The Cabildo seem to have taken the maps down, as they were only a guide. The advice given by Jane Anscombe is ask what the status is for each and every property.

Yes they have been taken down, I got the links off page 2 of this thread, chrisandjan, and fifi, but now they're not working.
However I still have the original FULL MAP an my laptop. If I can find a way to copy the .pdf file on to here, I will.

[Deso]

Do you still have the map Woe?

The reason I ask is that there are at least 2 villas on La Maresia, Salinas Golf, that have obtained VV licences. They have the VV sign displayed on their front wall.

If I remember correctly, those villas were in the red 'tourist area' as marked on the map.

If this is the case then it seems the actual land classification of your house plot may be the key to being able to get a licence, community statutes permitting if you are in a community.

[thomo]

http://www.frankrenshaw.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/touristzonesfuerteventura2.pdf
I think this is the one Deso

[Deso]

That's the one thomo thanks. 

Maybe the ayuntamiento in Antigua are allowing common sense to prevail?

[TamaraEnLaPlaya]

Don't ask me to interpret what this actually means in individual cases  , but may be of interest:

http://thecanarynews.com/government-slows-holiday-homes-decree/

[ashworth]

Don't ask me to interpret what this actually means in individual cases  , but may be of interest:

http://thecanarynews.com/government-slows-holiday-homes-decree/

Looks like it is not against the law to rent out short term holiday lets. There has been lots of nonsense about people being fined 30000 Euro but so far no case has gone to court.Its back to the drawing board to find a solution so watch this space

[ashworth]

Do you still have the map Woe?

The reason I ask is that there are at least 2 villas on La Maresia, Salinas Golf, that have obtained VV licences. They have the VV sign displayed on their front wall.

If I remember correctly, those villas were in the red 'tourist area' as marked on the map.

If this is the case then it seems the actual land classification of your house plot may be the key to being able to get a licence, community statutes permitting if you are in a community.

I would be interested to find out where they have got these from???

[Ivemovedon]

probably made them themselves and stuck them up for a laugh.

[Deso]

probably made them themselves and stuck them up for a laugh.

They do look the part. Not the best image as it was shot through the passenger window from the drivers side.   

[Ivemovedon]

looks like someones giving the V sign to the Fuerte tourist board to me.

[TamaraEnLaPlaya]

As expected, the hotels are not happy about the potential softening of the new laws:

http://www.islandconnections.eu/1000003/1000043/0/46187/daily-news-article.html

[Ivemovedon]

Of course, they want a free hand with no competition. Do they have an office of fair trading in Spain linked to tourism. If not they need one quick before a few more brown envelopes change hands and the voices of reason are again drowned out by the voices of financial self gratification.

[Deso]

Taken from Janet Anscombe site,

http://www.janetanscombe.com/news/monopolies-commission-calls-on-canarian-government-to-remove-restrictions-in-vivienda-vacacional-decree.html

This now means that those who have got their VV licence are now technically renting illegally, hopefully common sense would prevail and no action will be taken against them whilst the law is reviewed.

Regarding the Island Connections article, I am not normally a violent man but that is a face I could quite happily punch.
He is talking about unregulated letting. No one has been asking for that anyway so that is complete tosh.
Most honest owners would be perfectly satisfied if they could obtain a licence, with the necessary common sense requirements, pay their fair dues and hopefully make a crust as well.

As you can see, the Spanish monopolies commission have got involved, and rightly so. If the government don't act, they have the power to take them to court.

[Ivemovedon]

Doesn't sound too good for those in the throes of obtaining a VV and classification of their land/property. Hope its not money down the drain. Hard to know where all this is leading.