can i get NIE forms online

[Hatters]

hi want to complete forms before i go .... can anyone tell me where i can get them and has anyone got an example .... also what do i need to take with them passports copies??? do i need my deeds..... and lastly does anyone have the address in rosario ............ thank you

[emmi]

Surely if you have deeds you should already have an NIE number.  As far as I am aware you have to have one to purchase a property??

[Globetrotter]

Surely if you have deeds you should already have an NIE number.  As far as I am aware you have to have one to purchase a property??

Thats true you need an NIE number to purchase a house or a car

[SheilaW]

I imagine you're talking of getting the "registro"? The green paper that means you're able to live here permanently, get discounts on travel, vote in certain elections, etc. Is that right?

If so, it's the main police station you want. I'm not actually sure which turnoff you want from the ring-road - perhaps someone else could help there - but you'll pass Impescasa and you can either park there and continue down the hill, or drive down until you see the police station (with its flags flying) on the far right-hand corner. There're normally spaces to park down that road. The door for us 'aliens' is just to the right of the vehicle entrance archway, down the side road. We'd heard of long queues, but there was only us and 2 others at opening time.

Frankly, I'd advise you to take anything and everything, with copies of everything, too! You won't need it all, but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason about it. They gave me the third degree about my business here, and wanted every document under the sun, and wanted to know about the business I had in France before; then they took about 2 minutes over my husband's application. I kept a calm and confident exterior throughout, thanked them nicely, then burst into tears outside.

When you've bought a house, brought your cat with you, and started a business, it's an incredibly stressful situation to be in. The last thing you need is to be told to come back because you haven't got the right piece of paper.

I'll have a look for address, forms etc in a mo if nobody else comes up with them.

[Globetrotter]

I imagine you're talking of getting the "registro"? The green paper that means you're able to live here permanently, get discounts on travel, vote in certain elections, etc. Is that right?

If so, it's the main police station you want. I'm not actually sure which turnoff you want from the ring-road - perhaps someone else could help there - but you'll pass Impescasa and you can either park there and continue down the hill, or drive down until you see the police station (with its flags flying) on the far right-hand corner. There're normally spaces to park down that road. The door for us 'aliens' is just to the right of the vehicle entrance archway, down the side road. We'd heard of long queues, but there was only us and 2 others at opening time.

Frankly, I'd advise you to take anything and everything, with copies of everything, too! You won't need it all, but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason about it. They gave me the third degree about my business here, and wanted every document under the sun, and wanted to know about the business I had in France before; then they took about 2 minutes over my husband's application. I kept a calm and confident exterior throughout, thanked them nicely, then burst into tears outside.

When you've bought a house, brought your cat with you, and started a business, it's an incredibly stressful situation to be in. The last thing you need is to be told to come back because you haven't got the right piece of paper.

I'll have a look for address, forms etc in a mo if nobody else comes up with them.

Thats the 'Padron' you are talking about, from the Town Hall, its not green its a white A4 sheet of paper and there are 2 types, one for travel and one for purchases.
The green form is the Residencia EX16 (Solicitud de Certificado de registro como residente comunitario o Tarjeta de residencia de familiar de ciudadano de la Unión
(Real Decreto 240/2007))

[SheilaW]

I imagine you're talking of getting the "registro"? The green paper that means you're able to live here permanently, get discounts on travel, vote in certain elections, etc. Is that right?

Thats the 'Padron' you are talking about, from the Town Hall, its not green its a white A4 sheet of paper and there are 2 types, one for travel and one for purchases.
The green form is the Residencia EX16 (Solicitud de Certificado de registro como residente comunitario o Tarjeta de residencia de familiar de ciudadano de la Unión
(Real Decreto 240/2007))

Oh gawd! We always talk at cross purposes whenever we talk about NIE or Residency!

There's the Padron that comes in two types - they don't really seem to have individual names, do they? Just the one for travel discounts and the other one. And if you don't understand Spanish they're both pretty unintelligible letters with no headings.  But when we went to Lanzarote with our Padron and a non-resident's NIE (a white one), they rejected us - said we had to have a "green NIE" to go with the Padron. We had to pay full fare!

My post was talking about the "green NIE", though I can see that it was confusing. But the plot thickens, as we filled in form EX 18, as advised here: http://www.tumbit.com/how-to-guides/articles/2-applying-for-residential-status-residencia-eu-citizens.html and listed here: http://www.interior.gob.es/modelos-de-solicitud-37/extranjeria-342?locale=es

[emmi]

This is my take on it all.

NIE = identity number which you need  if you buy a property. This is also needed if you buy a car( see also Padron below), and for anything "official" like opening a bank account.

Padron, is optional.  A local registration which allows you to vote in local elections.  It also allows the local "government"  to claim  some kind of payment from national governement (complicated to explain).  The Padron allows you to get discount certificates for travel and certain other purchases.  For example you need it to purchase a car from a dealer. But if you don't want to buy a car or have travel discounts, the Padron is not obligatory.
http://ukinspain.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-spain/padron

Registro = the green certificate, is for anyone residing here for an unbroken period of over 3 months.

So, if you are not here for over three months at a time, you do not need the green Registro.  But you can't buy a house, open a bank account without an NIE.

[Globetrotter]

This is my take on it all.

NIE = identity number which you need  if you buy a property. This is also needed if you buy a car( see also Padron below), and for anything "official" like opening a bank account.

Padron, is optional.  A local registration which allows you to vote in local elections.  It also allows the local "government"  to claim  some kind of payment from national governement (complicated to explain).  The Padron allows you to get discount certificates for travel and certain other purchases.  For example you need it to purchase a car from a dealer. But if you don't want to buy a car or have travel discounts, the Padron is not obligatory.
http://ukinspain.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-spain/padron

Registro = the green certificate, is for anyone residing here for an unbroken period of over 3 months.

So, if you are not here for over three months at a time, you do not need the green Registro.  But you can't buy a house, open a bank account without an NIE.

Spot on Emmi

[Hatters]

Thanks for all the info but I want a  non resident NIE which I am told you can get at the police station in Rosario....can I download the forms from somewhere online?? and whereabouts is the police station? and is that still the correct place to go? I am not a resident and do not plan to be one for sometime. In 2003 we didnt need an NIE to buy our apartment and yes I know its taken along time to get round to it but each time I go the beach holds more attraction than the police station !!! but each year the council keep asking for it although they still take my money to pay my council taxes so thought I should get it sorted. Any help much apprecaited

[Captain Sensible]

You must have an NIE if you bought a property in 2003.  It's always necessary for property or car purchase.  Your solicitor would probably have got it for you when you purchased.

We bought our house in 2003 and we went with the solicitor to the police station.

Your number will start with an X (to indicate you are non Spanish), followed by 6 numbers, and ending with a letter.

[emmi]

As Captain Sensible says, you must have a NIE number to have bought your property.  It has NOTHING to do with being a resident or not.  Your NIE number(s) will also show in your Escrituras, usually following your passport numbers. Your NIE number is for a lifetime and is just for idendification purpose.  Every Spaniard also has one.  It is no different for us foreigners.

My lawyer obtained ours on the day we contracted him to handle the purchase of our property, and it involved a very quick trip with him to the Police Station in Rosario.  Only then could he prepare the contract. 

You will also have to have had it to open your bank account.  What more can I say?

[Globetrotter]

How many more times telling, you must have one to purchase, end of 

[Spike On Q]

Does this mean that within the new resident rules that you may have bought a house and obtained and NIE you will not be able to get a Residencia unless you meet the necessary criteria? i.e. you've got a house in Fuerteventura but you can't live in it?

[emmi]

That's clouding this particular issue Spike! The OP doesn't want a Reisidencia or Registro or whatever it is called now.  In any event you need a NIE to get one of those  and seems OP doesn't want to `"live" in it anyway.

It  may clear things up if he went to his lawyer who did his property purchase and asked about his NIE.  If it wasn't for some reason done at that time, then he should ask why not and request it is done now !

As far as I know NIE forms are not available on line, but even if they are, the applicant still has to go in person to the Policia.

Just got this off the internet

What is an NIE number and why do I need one?

In Spain you cannot legally buy property, a house, car, boat etc without having applied to the police for your NIE number and had your NIE documentation returned. Likewise, you cannot enter into a contract for the supply of electricity, water or a telephone line etc without giving your NIE/NIF number together with your bank details because these services will only accept clients whose bills are paid automatically from a bank. Neither can you arrange an insurance policy or order goods or services, sign on for the National Social Security, Health Service or commence a job without showing your NIE number.

The Decree (Real Decreto 338-1990) of 9th March establishes that everyone, of whatever nationality, resident or not, who has any "official business" in Spain, must have a fiscal number (NIF/NIE) which is used to identify them on all official documents.

[SheilaW]

If you're not going to be around for all the transactions and signatures needed when buying a house (often at a moment's notice), you have to give the lawyer power of attorney to sign things in your absence. That's what I did, and she arranged for my NIE on her own, including the personal visit to Puerto. She sent me a copy but I didn't see the original certificate until not having it caused me some hassle or other. It was in her files.

Spike, nobody can stop an EU citizen living in any other EU country (I've lived in four now and that's not what Spain is trying to do. All they're saying is that the social security system here is contributions-based (unlike in the UK). So if you want to come here to live, fine; if you want state cover you have to qualify. If you don't qualify, you just tick the boxes to say that you have enough to live on; you have health insurance for emergencies; you declare that you'll never be a burden on the state. They will never contest that (not under present EU rules, anyway).

[Globetrotter]

That's clouding this particular issue Spike! The OP doesn't want a Reisidencia or Registro or whatever it is called now.  In any event you need a NIE to get one of those  and seems OP doesn't want to `"live" in it anyway.

It  may clear things up if he went to his lawyer who did his property purchase and asked about his NIE.  If it wasn't for some reason done at that time, then he should ask why not and request it is done now !

As far as I know NIE forms are not available on line, but even if they are, the applicant still has to go in person to the Policia.

Just got this off the internet

What is an NIE number and why do I need one?

In Spain you cannot legally buy property, a house, car, boat etc without having applied to the police for your NIE number and had your NIE documentation returned. Likewise, you cannot enter into a contract for the supply of electricity, water or a telephone line etc without giving your NIE/NIF number together with your bank details because these services will only accept clients whose bills are paid automatically from a bank. Neither can you arrange an insurance policy or order goods or services, sign on for the National Social Security, Health Service or commence a job without showing your NIE number.

The Decree (Real Decreto 338-1990) of 9th March establishes that everyone, of whatever nationality, resident or not, who has any "official business" in Spain, must have a fiscal number (NIF/NIE) which is used to identify them on all official documents.

Here
http://www.spaincorp.com/nie.php