hev has made a good suggestion:
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I would have thought a section for the disabled would have been more helpful, with information on which complexes, apartments, restaurants, beaches, enetertainment centres etc etc are suitable for them. Where in each resort to hire / buy mobility equipment. A lot of people have disabled children, relatives, friends.
Could also include in there where to buy special dietry requirements or restaruants bars thats cater for them(gluten free etc) A lot of people ask those questions.
So now we'd like suggestions for the title of said section please.
A Little Extra Help section
I know we have to a bit careful but I don't think that one would work Globetrotter. I think it has to made clear who the little bit of extra help is for. And it shouldn't sound patronising (your's wasn't but you know what I mean [:I] )
Like you say Hev you have to be so careful nowadays.
How about Persons with reduced capabilities help section.
No matter what you come up with it sounds patronising.
people with disabilities
Say exactly what you mean which is politically correct.
What to Call People With Disabilities.
Today's topic is the language of disability and disease. When I was a technical writer, questions came up all the time about how to write about people with medical conditions. So today, guest-writer Bonnie Trenga will educate us.
When tackling how to refer to people who have disabilities or who suffer from illnesses, the bottom line is that we need to be sensitive to the feelings of others.
The Two Extremes
I'm glad to report that times have changed. It's no longer acceptable to say a sentence such as "Hey, I saw a deaf and dumb cripple today." That would be extremely offensive (1, 2). Here is a list of words you need to wipe from your vocabulary unless you're writing a character who likes to be offensive: "crippled," "mute," "deaf-mute," and "deaf and dumb" (3).
On the other end of the spectrum, some people have been too eager to create euphemisms for diseases or conditions in an effort to make such conditions seem less of a big deal, but euphemisms such as "differently abled" and "handicapable" are now considered condescending (4). There's no reason to try to be too nice about it.
The Middle Road
So how do people who can't walk or people who can't hear wish to be referred to? The preferred terms to use these days are "disability" and "disabled." These words have replaced "handicap" and "handicapped." It's no longer OK to call someone "handicapped" (5), but it is acceptable to use "handicapped" in common phrases such as "handicapped parking."
If you must refer to someone with a disability, it's a good idea to put the person first. So it's better to say, "He is a person with disabilities" than "He is disabled" or "He is a disabled person." The phrase "a person with cerebral palsy" might sound a bit awkward, but since people with disabilities and the organizations that serve them might prefer this phrasing, we should respect their wishes (4).
Now that society is more sensitive to all its members, we need to follow disability etiquette. The United Spinal Association, for example, offers online a 36-page PDF on how to be sensitive to people with all kinds of disabilities (there's a link in the references at the bottom of this transcript) . The Association reminds us, "People with disabilities are individuals with families, jobs, hobbies, likes and dislikes, and problems and joys. While the disability is an integral part of who they are, it alone does not define them. Don't make them into disability heroes or victims. Treat them as individuals" (6).
Specific Conditions
You might be wondering how to refer to people with vision, hearing, and mobility problems or specific diseases. It's OK to refer to someone as "blind," but it's better to say, "a person who is blind" than "a blind person" (2), although organizations that serve people who are blind have names that reflect the old way of thinking, for example The American Council of the Blind. On the site for the Perkins School of the Blind, for instance, people who are blind are referred to as "people with visual impairments" and "people who are visually impaired" (7).
You can refer to a person who can't hear or who has partial hearing loss as "hard of hearing" or "deaf." There's no need to avoid the term "deaf." In fact, there is a Deaf culture, where Deaf has a capital D. Members of the Deaf culture "belong to the community that has formed around the use of American Sign Language as the preferred means of communication" (8).
As for someone who is in a wheelchair, you can just say, "wheelchair user." It's considered inappropriate to say, "confined to a wheelchair" (6).
And as for people who suffer from any number of illnesses, from asthma to diabetes to cancer, you could just say something like "a person who suffers from asthma" or "a person who has diabetes." Sure the people might be asthmatic or diabetic, but that's not who the people are. Their disease doesn't define them.
Summary
In summary, no matter what disability someone has, you need to be polite and sensitive to that person and use an appropriate term.
Administrative
This podcast was written by Bonnie Trenga, author of The Curious Case of the Misplaced Modifier
ermmmm now let me think?????
Help for the disabled traveller on holiday
Information for a disabled traveller on holiday in Fuerteventura... With sub-sections of Corralejo, Caleta de Fuste and down south....! It should also be found in the search engines easier...
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Originally posted by appy ammer
Help for the disabled traveller on holiday
Nice one.
Admin on a side note... Did you get my message I sent you via the PM?
no mit were not aving another naughty little botty nal section, thats covered in the gay one, (i feel an edit coming on;)
Bonnie Trenga, gives a well known lecture in the politics of disability. Those like me who worked in this field for many years, would always ask a person with a disability how they like their disability described. Bonnie highlights the numerous forms of disability, and when I worked with forums on disability issues. It was always best decided to use the heading , people with disabilities, to cover these numerous forms of disabilty. You have to be very careful, what you might put in front of a heading, like this, so as not to be patronising.
blimey you get a great idea and all people can think of is being politically correct. Lets not go down the you can't say disabled its got to be physically challenged route.jesus gord give me strength
probably just offended the religous)
How about.......'Less Able and Special Needs' section.
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Originally posted by Deso
How about.......'Less Able and Special Needs' section.
[:)]
thats already taken by soggy;)
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Originally posted by globetrotter
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Originally posted by appy ammer
Help for the disabled traveller on holiday
Nice one.
Help for the disabled and other less abled traveler on holiday
Something a bit snappier or shorter maybe. Perhaps someone like Little Legs (Dawn) who has 2 disabled daughters can suggest something or anyone disabled really. Deso's one is pretty good though.
I totally agree Cameron, this is what society has come down to..Terrified of giving offence as a result of plonkers who make a professional living out of it......For the record I am in one of those capacities as described above, probably two in fact, and would be grateful of people putting stuff on re diet, doctors,Hospitals etc but Sweet Lord call it something all of us users can understand, and NO PC please.
Most, not all I agree, laugh at their disabilities, see the funny side of it, and try to forget about them every minute of every day, otherwise it would eat you up. When people say something `not quite right` they dont do it out of malice, so it must be accepted as such.Its all about a sense of humour and telling people like this Bonny character to go away and get a proper job....So there
For my twopenneth I`d like simply `Help and assistance` section..covers it all...Fank you[:)]
Billy Brown - Thanks for your insights.
I would be concerned that 'Help and assistance' might just be interpreted as help and instructions with using the forum. Your thoughts please.
Bridlife mentioned the best without knowing it, nice short and to the point
Disability Issues
I like that one too Cam.....
It was intentional , Cameron. It was what was used in my profession , as a policy officer , and employment officer for people with disabilities.
Generally, people are confused over PC. Have a look at some of the decriptions Bonnie Trenga illustrates , what people have used in the past, to describe people with disabilities. They are horrific. Having a disability myself, and a child with a severe disability, I would hate for this terminolgy to be used today. This is just common decency, and not necessarily about PC.
Smilar to LittleLegs situation....we are a disabled family and have visited Fuerte the past few years and hopefully we will continue to.....unless we win the lottery and are able to move over permanently.
The title...DISABLED TRAVEL is to the point and those of us with something to contribute can add our own appropriate thread titles...
It will be a very useful section for those of us with info and experiences to share and for new members and old who want to also share advice on accomodation, accessability to establishments on Fuerte, airport transfers, airport/airline assistance etc.......
There's loads of useful info we could share.
As with all threads it will have to be carefully monitored by admin because, just like all social media there are trolls or trouble causers who just want to offend and cause mayhem....
If this section is used with common sense it will be very useful for many of us.
Common sense i.e respect and sensitivity
Glen
DISABLED TRAVEL could be interpreted as someone who's flight has been cancelled etc. Also included in there (if as first suggested) would be restaraunts / shops that cater for special dietry requirements.
"Disability / Medical Issues" ? Bridlife / Cameron one.
I agree hev, . The disabled traveller, might be better not sure what you mean by Bridlife/Cameron 1
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Originally posted by Cameron
Bridlife mentioned the best without knowing it, nice short and to the point
Disability Issues
I meant this post ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [:)]
I see Hev, thanks, I do think people with disabilities covers everything and would be a good title, not everyone might agree.
"Special Needs" gets my vote. It covers everything.
very true fifi. That one could even make the gay section redundant.[;)]
Sorry Fifi,a sensible suggestion, and has been used in the past, however some people with disabilities hate the title , "Special Needs". Also it usually refers to children or younger people with disabilities.
Disability Issues.
It's all-encompassing. There's a lot of people, who would never describe themselves as disabled, yet they could benefit from discussions on such issues.
You don't have to have 'reduced mobility' to find that a place has just a few too many steps for you. Or that some place has absolutely nowhere to sit. Or that the nearest Pharmacy is 20km away. Or which is the better hospital or clinic to visit after falling off of a wall. Or even, as a fit 6'4", my preference for a divan rather than a bedstead. Even dietary requirements - I found out the hard way that one of my regular clients has a morbid fear of bananas!
'People with Disabilities' is too closely defined, and isolating, as well as sounding too PC.
Huge numbers of people have 'Issues they have to work around', but would never consider themselves disabled or even otherwise-abled, but nevertheless plan their travels around those issues.
'Disabilty Issues' is surely more inclusive. (or even Ability Issues????)
Disability issues is fine. I used to work for a company called Ability. People may not understand a title like ability issues.It has to be in the context of disability.
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Originally posted by bridlife
Disability issues is fine. I used to work for a company called Ability. People may not understand a title like ability issues.It has to be in the context of disability.
The 'ability issues' was meant to be a little lighthearted, but I think it's important that the content of the section be 'inclusive' as so many need a litle help from time to time.
what chance have the less abled got when the abled cant even agree on a subject title,have a seperate vote on the side of the forum for the people who the section is intended to help.
I am disabled and i think it`s a great idea to have a topic that gives advice for people with disabilitys why not just call it Disabled Advice says it all i think
as above great idea, "Disability Advice and infomation."
That's gotta be the best one I've seen on here, nice one Dawn [:)]
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Originally posted by Cameron
blimey you get a great idea and all people can think of is being politically correct. Lets not go down the you can't say disabled its got to be physically challenged route.jesus gord give me strength
probably just offended the religous)
Why is it whatever debate that crops up here you always seem to be on the wrong side. I don't wish ill fortune on you but being in that position even temporarily might show you the importance of labels.
Even then it's not just about feelings, labels allow the majority to justify looking down on other people when they are separated for any reason.
How many times people wish for a better world but few want to actually make a difference by practicing it.
I don't quite understand what you mean Zappa about Cameron being on the wrong side..all he's saying is let's not go sown the pc route..sorry but I cant see what's wrong with that.
"blimey you get a great idea and all people can think of is being politically correct. Lets not go down the you can't say disabled its got to be physically challenged route."
No doubt you'll enlighten me though [:)]
The benefit entitlement in the UK is called DLA..which stands for Disability Living Allowance..it's not called Physically Challenged Living Allowance...
Why not call it what the authorities here in Spain call it 'Barrier Free'
Because that's a silly name. Sounds more like immigration dept.
Hev's original suggestion included those with special dietary requirements.
"Disability Advice and information" much as I like it, doesn't address that.
I'll propose two options:
1. Dietary & Disability Advice and Information
2. separating the sections i.e
Dietary Advice & Information and a separate section: Disability Advice and information
So in hope of reaching some consensus so we can get on with it and barring major objection to either option may we have your thoughts as to which option i.e. 1 or 2.
Maybe but I bet a lot of people with disabilities and reduced mobility understand exactly what it means. Barrier Free Tourism.
Well Pearl I am disabled and sorry but I wouldn't have a clue what it meant..I dont need to be wrapped in cotton wool and trod lightly round..I am disabled ..end of matter...NOT physically challenged, and certainly not a barrier !!!!
Hev wrote "all he's (Cameron) saying is let's not go sown the pc route..sorry but I cant see what's wrong with that."
Because in his negativity he thought it wasn't worth debate after others thought it important enough to make suggestions and especially after Globetrotter explained why.
We're not talking about a fat person being called horizontally challenged, although that's a joke terms like it are used to make a mockery of the sound thinking behind it. It's an attempt to turn the general public against it by people who in reality mask their distaste for certain minorities.
It's subtle games but you only have to listen to their other views by people who say such things to prove my point.
Can't wait for the fuss and palaver when the time comes to choose the icon![;)]
I think Admin's suggestion of 1. Dietary & Disability Advice and Information (do I have to say "Admin wrote") is a pretty good one that says it all.
Get yer tin hat on HH [8D][8D]
Hev - it's a permanent fixture!![:D] How are you these days?
Admin - please can we have proper voting buttons so we can remain anonymous? [:D]
I vote for option 1.
Oh, for goodness sake! are you all not making this into an issue far bigger than is warranted? Voting buttons?? Admin - it's your site you decide what that section should be called. Man up!![}:)]
crying out loud lol, we will be voting for fat or thin chips or oven or fried next
I think option 2 is the right one after all it is about offering people with mobility problems advice
why not the universal icon for disabled,as people tend to understand this
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv111/ValueValleyUK/disabled_badge.gif)
offensive part removed by admin
Shame - well intentioned thread turned into something else at times.
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