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Title: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: dandare on June 27, 2013, 16:23:30 PM
Well, went to Ajuy  (  for about the tenth time in 8 years)  yesterday,and yes its true, you now have to pay to walk to the caves!

You're stopped by an all language speaking kraut at the bottom of the cliff at Ajuy, and requested to pay 7 euros per adult, and 3 euros per child.

After proffering the likes of   " you're having a laugh",   and   " you're joking aren't you", I got
the reply " I don't understand vot you are saying. ; Ve haf a guide, and ve hav put ze toilets in".

Well, I've seen enough of the caves to know you don't need a guide ( a torch does the job ) and I'm not paying 7 euros to have a wee.

I told him politely where to poke his 7 euros, and went and had a cuppa at a nice cafe at the top of Ajuy, overlooking the beach.

The cafe owner implied that it was all illegal; no insurance cover, no permission from the council. etc etc. I think the cafe/restaurant owners are up in arms about it.

I certainly won't be taking people sightseeing there any more, just to line some greedy landowners pocket.

Times are bad, but not that bad.

OK, rant over.
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on June 27, 2013, 19:28:50 PM
I've reported it to the local police in Pajara - he will shortly disappear
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: admin on June 27, 2013, 20:01:22 PM
Well done guys !
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Captain Sensible on June 27, 2013, 23:02:38 PM
It's big news in the Spanish press at the moment; as it is illegal because it's in a National Park, on Costas land etc.

I'm surprised that he's still getting away with it.
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: admin on June 27, 2013, 23:29:38 PM
Perhaps  filming the exchange would provide evidence to help the police make their case.
(Unless he's a big lad.) :)
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: emmi on June 28, 2013, 12:06:32 PM
With exception of any poor folk who actually paid the Euros 7 to view the caves, this sounds like quite a funny story. Are you saying that this opportunist person just set up shop so to speak?

Where can I see the story in the newspapers please?  Got a link?
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: tamara_k on June 28, 2013, 12:11:48 PM
emmi - here you go, for example http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=304947 (http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=304947)

actually, from this article it looks like they do have some permissions/agreements :( of course, it's not necessarily true
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Captain Sensible on June 28, 2013, 16:29:38 PM
The latest news (http://www.rtvaguacabra.com/noticias/paraje_natural_de_ajuy_asegura_que_tiene_licencia_del_gobierno_canario_y_el_visto_bueno_del_ayuntamiento_del_sur.html)
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: tamara_k on June 28, 2013, 17:42:15 PM
the news agencies copy the stuff off each other, it seems :) but rtv aguacabra has a funny pic as well :)
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on June 28, 2013, 21:06:51 PM
Went to the local police today - they waved their arms about but say their is a legal challenge in place so only time will tell.
My guess is that there will be such a public outcry that a National Monument with 20 million years of history be compared with a theme park for private gain

Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on June 29, 2013, 13:43:25 PM
Please send your thought to the Ayuntamiento in Pajara

Link (http://www.pajara.es/index.php/contactosuperior?sTask=message&r_id=1822519250&task=display&pf=1&lang=en)

English will do - but please be polite
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: lionfish on June 29, 2013, 17:41:09 PM
Sent my thoughts and, yes, I was polite. The area around the caves is one of our favourite locations on the island, but we will go elsewhere rather than pay the 7€ p.p. entry fee.
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: TamaraEnLaPlaya on June 30, 2013, 00:15:37 AM
Spike - thanks for the link. I've sent my thoughts, politely!
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: fifi on June 30, 2013, 00:28:53 AM
I have sent my message politely too Paul. :)
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Sandy D on June 30, 2013, 01:25:50 AM
Surely that isn't the only way you can get to the caves, there wasn't anyone  charging a fee when we were over in May, we walked over to the arch only to find out afterwards you can get there by walking from the road before it enters the village
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 01, 2013, 08:45:01 AM
If you haven't done so yet please send your thoughts too the Ayuntamiento, it all helps

Link (http://www.pajara.es/index.php/contactosuperior?sTask=message&r_id=1822519250&task=display&pf=1&lang=en)

We were there for 10 minutes on Saturday and two families, one Dutch the other German, went to walk up the cliff path only to be accosted by one of the "guides". They turned away and left Ajuy.

How embarrassing and disappointing it is to give our visitors, the life blood of Fuerteventura, such an impression!

Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: fifi on July 01, 2013, 13:43:30 PM
The caves get a mention in Canarias& today.  Link (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canarias7.es%2Farticulo.cfm%3Fid%3D304947)
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 01, 2013, 16:04:22 PM
God gave the earth La Forte Ventura 20 million years ago

A private company took this part of the earth from it's people in a couple of days in 2013.

The company then had the cheek to compare this historic National Monument with a "theme park"



Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: tamara_k on July 01, 2013, 18:21:29 PM
fifi, this is the same article of 28 June, except in english.

this is a bit fresher, 29 June
http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=305019 (http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=305019)

somewhat more encouraging too - as the Cabildo says that there is no agreement or collaboration between them and the private company.

on the other hand, those guys claim that they have an agreement with the Canarian government and the ayuntamento, so there is no formal contradiction between those two statements.

I just hope the Cabildo has the final word when it comes to land use.
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: el caballo hambriento on July 01, 2013, 19:16:55 PM
I have sent a complaint to the Ayuntamiento in Pajara.
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: raspberriesandcream on July 01, 2013, 20:32:37 PM
So....can you get to the archway on the beach WITHOUT going that way? Have no desire to visit stinky smelly caves....but would like to take some photos of the arch!
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: duncolm on July 01, 2013, 21:34:29 PM
The path to the caves is a short route which comes to an end at the caves. It's a very pleasant short walk along a spectacular bit of coastline, even if you don't enter the cave (which I don't think of as smelly, they're large and airy and I've seen the sea washing through the one that it's easy to enter). It rightly attracts many visitors to Ajuy, which has at least half a dozen eating places depending on them.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8383/8531439553_87439e75a1.jpg)

The arch is at a separate location some distance to the north, and you'd take a route further inland to get there. TamaraK provided a map on her blog post about it - http://tamara-kulikova.blogspot.com.es/2012/12/ajuy-to-arco-del-jurado.html (http://tamara-kulikova.blogspot.com.es/2012/12/ajuy-to-arco-del-jurado.html)
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: raspberriesandcream on July 01, 2013, 21:56:29 PM
Yea ive seen that...thanks...but she mentions the path TO the arch starting halfway along the path to the caves!?  ??? Btw.. it was a figure of speech bout the caves being smelly.....as in the German *guide* can stick his stinky caves. I know theyre not...have been before AND eaten in the town.  ;D
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: duncolm on July 01, 2013, 22:06:55 PM
The easy way would be to climb up from the path onto the top level. It shouldn't be hard to find a way round.
Come to think of it, it could be possible to bypass the 'pay point' and descend to the path half way along....
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: raspberriesandcream on July 01, 2013, 22:47:47 PM
Haha....NOW you're talking......I LOVE a challenge!   :P
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: tamara_k on July 02, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
raspberriesandcream - I didn't do this route, but it appears that Sandy D did - you cross the large barranco on your right _before_ you enter the village.

The KOMPASS map I have doesn't show that particular route, but here googlemaps even show a dirt track going in the direction that you need  Link (https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=207923122280474111770.0004e07cbe5b1b2cb15cb&msa=0&ll=28.410502,-14.137859&spn=0.029895,0.066047&iwloc=0004e07cc08c7c6aa4bae)

and yes, once on the top, you can go down a bit and find yourself on the path to the caves, past the money-taking post :) but I'd much rather it was sorted out legally, so nobody had to go around an obstacle that shouldn't be there in the first place
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: appy ammer on July 02, 2013, 07:26:39 AM
Is this the same company who towed away the American Star and sold it to Disney ?
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 02, 2013, 18:18:06 PM
There is also a page on Trip Advisor you can add a comment too - maybe suggest that people do NOT pay!

http://www.tripadvisor.com/UserReviewEdit-g187467-d240410-a_placetype.10021-a_ReviewName.-e-wpage1-Playa_de_Ajuy-Fuerteventura_Canary_Islands.html (http://www.tripadvisor.com/UserReviewEdit-g187467-d240410-a_placetype.10021-a_ReviewName.-e-wpage1-Playa_de_Ajuy-Fuerteventura_Canary_Islands.html)

Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 02, 2013, 19:45:11 PM
Hello!

I've started the petition "Ayuntamiento of Pajara, Las Palmas, Canary Islands, Spain: Give The Caves of Ajuy back to the World and it's People" and need your help to get it off the ground.

Will you take 30 seconds to sign it right now? Here's the link:

http://www.change.org/petitions/ayuntamiento-of-pajara-las-palmas-canary-islands-spain-give-the-caves-of-ajuy-back-to-the-world-and-it-s-people (http://www.change.org/petitions/ayuntamiento-of-pajara-las-palmas-canary-islands-spain-give-the-caves-of-ajuy-back-to-the-world-and-it-s-people)

Here's why it's important:

Created 20 million years ago the central massive of Fuerteventura is considered unique, a UNESCO Biosphere. The Caves of Ajuy are part of this area and were given "National Monument" status by the Government. In recent weeks a private company has closed the old footpath leading to these caves and are now insisting visitors pay 7.00 Euro for the privilege of walking this ancient and most beautiful coastal area

Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: emmi on July 03, 2013, 22:21:21 PM
Let's help here.  55 signatures have been added to Spike's petition and 44 more needed to be able to send it to the Ayuntamiento.
People will stop visiting Ajuy if  they have to pay Euros 7 to enter the caves - the village and restaurants will suffer from lack of trade just adding to the crisis the island is already suffering. So, please add your signatures for this worthy cause.
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: tamara_k on July 04, 2013, 12:48:58 PM
a bit of bad news : http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=305386 (http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=305386)

"the mayor of Pajara defends commercial exploitation of the caves"

the ayuntamiento clarifies that they didn't give the permission for the activity, but it seems only because "it's not within their jurisdiction" (they use word "competencia"), and only "costas" can give that. but the mayor seems to be in favour of the activity :(
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 04, 2013, 19:32:29 PM
Thanks Emmi

I'm looking forward to delivering the petition to the Mayor - he came out on the side of the land owners today. FiFi will probably find the item in the local papers

He reckons the path and caves were dirty, smelly and full of rubbish. We have been taking walks along the path to the caves for 14 years. It is just NOT true

http://www.change.org/petitions/ayuntamiento-of-pajara-las-palmas-canary-islands-spain-give-the-caves-of-ajuy-back-to-the-world-and-it-s-people (http://www.change.org/petitions/ayuntamiento-of-pajara-las-palmas-canary-islands-spain-give-the-caves-of-ajuy-back-to-the-world-and-it-s-people)

Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 04, 2013, 19:35:17 PM
PS  We've had an apartment in Pajara for 14 years which may add something to the strength of our petition as we're not short term holiday makers without local knowledge but esatablished local residents and tax payers
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 04, 2013, 19:37:10 PM
Sorry - I just saw that tamara put the link to the article about the Mayor - mmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: westhamrule on July 17, 2013, 16:14:18 PM
signed :)
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 17, 2013, 16:47:21 PM
There is a big campaign locally now as business in the restaurant in Ajuy has dropped by 50%. There have been demos too on Saturdays.

A sign has appeared at the path entrance saying the foot path is FREE - if you want to hire a "guide" it is NOT mandatory

I understand legal action may soon commence

Tuesday 17th - the two "guides" had disappeared with their table and sunshade so here's hoping they are gone for good.

The poor lady in the little bar on the front with the bright orange toldos was nearly in tears when we spoke to her [great burgers by the way and the best cortado in town - it'll blow your brains out!!]. She needs all the help she can get
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: gunner on July 18, 2013, 01:14:35 AM
Great news Spike! We hope that many of us that signed the petition have helped. We can all still enjoy the hospitality at Ajuy and the wonderful scenery!
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 18, 2013, 20:12:43 PM
The story made the front page of the Canarian National press again yesterday  - looks like the locals definitely frightened them off - it is a bit like The Wild West once you leave Antigua heading for the mountains, yeeehaaa

Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 18, 2013, 20:14:12 PM
Thanks everyone who signed the petition - things are going so well at the moment I'll keep it in reserve.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Pass my beret Betty!
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Can the Man on July 19, 2013, 00:28:09 AM
Well done the spike man  :)
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 19, 2013, 09:31:46 AM
On the subject of Ajuy and to allow you all to make a date in your busy social diaries - 

11/11/2013 at 11am AJUY - cliff top. A short, non religious gathering to remember those we owe so much to. Bring a poppy if you can

More later
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Can the Man on July 19, 2013, 13:40:43 PM
Sorry Spike, but I go back on the 2nd November, but I'll be thinking of you all then.
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Charlie dont surf on July 19, 2013, 15:20:42 PM
A novel way to avoid the charge would be to swim to the caves from the beach! As advised in the latest edition of the Hoy Magazine. Quite possibly the worst advice even given? That said, i would quite happily pay €7 to see whoever wrote that article attempt the swim. I watch from the cliff above and cheer them on! 
Title: Re: The walk to the caves at Ajuy
Post by: Spike On Q on July 20, 2013, 12:08:01 PM
You're right Charlie - NO swimming at Ajuy, undertow and north to south currents are dangerous unless you have considerable local knowledge!!

Don't let your kids near to the waters edge either - a big Atlantic roller can appear out of the blue [literally] and wash adults, let alone kids, off their feet and out to sea!