Airfares: Heavier Passengers 'Should Pay More'
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Airlines should make heavier passengers pay more for their plane tickets and lighter ones less, it has been suggested.
The controversial pay-as-you-weigh pricing scheme has been mooted by a Norwegian professor, who argues that weight and space should be taken into account by airlines pricing their tickets.
The first would see fares directly linked to the weight of a person and their belongings, with a fixed rate for kilograms per passenger.
Under this method, a person weighing 60kg would pay half the airfare of a 120kg person. And rightly so !!!
AS long as O`Leary inst in charge of the scales.....you know how that would work out dont you :-*
What a great idea. I am charged extra for going a kilo over with my luggage, yet someone can weigh 30 kg more than I do. I suppose it won't stop them spilling into your seat over and under the armrest, but may just make me feel slightly better knowing they have paid for the excess fuel needed. I think it should go on BMI then taller slimmer people aren't unfairly penalised. Ill be kind and say over BMI 30 ( 20-25 is considered healthy). Each point over is and extra fee. Would do the nations health a world of good. Weigh them on the way home too. May stop the increase in AI ( AI you can eaters! - and do they! ) As I am sure you can guess, I would be more than happy to police this for Mr O'Leary!!!!!
Just as an aside , I would also impose a ban on the sale of fish and onion containing sandwiches, the people who eat these always sit by me!
It won't happen....................
123456 has it right. It's not fair when you weigh 8 stones and you get penalised for being 1 kilo over on your baggage, and the bloke behind you weighs 25 stones and goes through no problem. :'(
A fantastic idea that will only be supported by people like myself who make a bean pole look fat.
They should have an aggregate weight for passenger and luggage and if you go over then you pay extra. That way thinnies could make a few bob at departure 'muling' the fatties bags on at half price. Their bags are always stuffed coz the clothes are so much bigger. Great opportunity there I think.
This time next year Rodney!
Quote from: woe10 on March 26, 2013, 20:04:20 PM
123456 has it right. It's not fair when you weigh 8 stones and you get penalised for being 1 kilo over on your baggage, and the bloke behind you weighs 25 stones and goes through no problem. :'(
That's ridiculous lol, what about the people with genuine health problems who can't help there size? You only have your self to blame for going over on your baggage allowance.
This topic has actually been aired on the pilots website, among others, the `professor` in question is actually something of a nutbag, who regularly makes silly statements. If this were to become a reality it would cost all of us flyers a lot of money. Airlines would have to weigh people, work out the exact weight, which really wouldnt make any significance difference to the `all up weight` of the aircraft which would end up with the same fuel burn. You`d just have to pay for all the calorie counters to be employed........
The way it works now, and will in the future, is that every passenger has a notional weight per person which is the standard they work on. Baggage on the other hand is far more easily measured by far less people thats why you get charged.............and always will do :-* :-*
Truncheon Meat, that would be my next suggestion. That would make it fair. One allowance for all, minus your weight = luggage allowance. As for people with health conditions, I am not sure this is a valid argument.
Yes we all know it would never happen, it is just another gripe in the unfairness of life! But if I have paid for my seat, please allow me it. Maybe I wouldn't mind someones over-spill if they wished to pay for a proportion of my fare. This will never happen either. Travel with your own companions and book your seats!!!!
Quote from: 123456 on March 26, 2013, 21:48:18 PM
As for people with health conditions, I am not sure this is a valid argument.
Just be thankful you are of good health. There are many, such as Diabetics and Steroid user Cancer patients who will happily prove your theory wrong >:(
No reason why it wouldn`t work, it worked in the past. http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/Then--Now-A-Weighty-Matter.html (http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/Then--Now-A-Weighty-Matter.html) If anyone wants to practice their newly found skills in posting a piccie be my guest, I haven`t quite mastered it yet!
P.S. I bet his overcoat weighs more than today`s F.R. carry on allowance!
Quote from: zedzedeleven on March 26, 2013, 23:00:45 PM
No reason why it wouldn`t work, it worked in the past. http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/Then--Now-A-Weighty-Matter.html (http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/Then--Now-A-Weighty-Matter.html) If anyone wants to practice their newly found skills in posting a piccie be my guest, I haven`t quite mastered it yet!
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Right click on the pic ZedZed, choose view image info, right click to copy. click on the little image thing on top of the first smiley and put your cursor in the middle of the two IMGs that appear on your post. Then right click and paste on here. :)
Quote from: woe10 on March 26, 2013, 18:44:12 PM
Airfares: Heavier Passengers 'Should Pay More'
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Airlines should make heavier passengers pay more for their plane tickets and lighter ones less, it has been suggested.
The controversial pay-as-you-weigh pricing scheme has been mooted by a Norwegian professor, who argues that weight and space should be taken into account by airlines pricing their tickets.
The first would see fares directly linked to the weight of a person and their belongings, with a fixed rate for kilograms per passenger.
Under this method, a person weighing 60kg would pay half the airfare of a 120kg person. And rightly so !!!
Have I missed something here?
The subject title is stated as a fact and yet it is pure fantasy in Woes mind.
I have sat by all shapes and sizes and the most annoying by far, irrespective of size are the whinging, moaning, ignorant people like Woe :-*
"Have you seen the price of these Ryan air/Easyjet toasties, I could buy a whole loaf of bread and a pound of cheese for the price of this rip off."
"It tastes like cardboard"
"Ive eaten bigger pieces of snot"
At least a fat person would happily pay the price and enjoy it! (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/eating/eating-hot-dog.gif)
Give me a fat happy person any day, even if I have to give em my arm rest :D
In the words of the old song/poem "keep well away from them that's thin their tempers easy raised"
A better test would be, "Can this person fit in the seat provided, without spilling over into the adjacent passenger's personal space"
They couldhave a seat size gauge, like the hand baggage cage. Won't fit? - buy the next seat as well. Simple.
Why dont they have a row or two or just the 2 wider seats at the back and charge a permium for that seat. Perhaps the cost of the middle (missing) seat added to the cost of the two remaining seats.
Im sure the additonal comfort that the larger people will get, will offset any pain from paying a little more. There would be less squashed people getting off the plane at the other end, as its bad enough sitting getting squashed front to back in some of those airlines - TC being one of them ;D
Tin hat on now, fire away.
Quote from: isleswing on March 27, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
They couldhave a seat size gauge, like the hand baggage cage. Won't fit? - buy the next seat as well. Simple.
That would be worth an hour or so of my time sitting at the Ryanair gate watching relatives trying to jam Auntie Flo and the rest of the fat club into the gauge cage. That mental image has got tears rolling down my cheeks. All those bits sticking out as they try and jam the door shut. Oh stop it please.
This whole topic is pure fantasy but at least it brings a smile to the forum. We all know it'll never happen.
:D :P 8) ;D
Quote from: isleswing on March 27, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
They couldhave a seat size gauge, like the hand baggage cage. Won't fit? - buy the next seat as well. Simple.
lol, I can just imagine them going along the queue with one of their cardboard measures, human shape of course. ;D ;D ;D
Ryanair let you buy "Extra comfort seats"
Can I purchase an extra seat for a large person?
Yes, large passengers can purchase an extra seat for comfort.
To book an extra seat for comfort go online and select 2 seats the first seat should be booked in the actual passenger's name and the extra seat should be entered as COMFORT SEAT as the Last Name and EXTRA as the first Name. The name EXTRA COMFORT SEAT will then be displayed on the reservation and online boarding pass - see extract below from an online check-in boarding pass.
Reserved seating in emergency rows 1,16 and 17 may not be purchased if you have purchased an extra seat for item/comfort
Please note that all passengers purchasing an extra seat can use online check-in.The same travel document details must be entered for both seats when checking in online. Online check-in is available from 15 days prior up to 4 hours before the scheduled flight departure times. There is no cabin or checked baggage allowance associated with the purchase of an extra seat.
Due to safety regulations extra seats cannot be purchased for infants.
Extra comfort seat boarding pass
Passengers who have booked an extra seat should arrive at the boarding gate at least 30 minutes prior to the scheduled flight departure time. If you are unable to locate two seats together on the aircraft please contact our cabin crew as they will be in a position to ensure that you have two seats together.
** Spanish Resident and Large Family Discount is not applicable on EXTRA seats**
That's fantastic news Fifi!
Hope you don't have to qualify in any way for a comfort seat because as a thinnie I'm going to book a comfort seat so the fat buggers can't make my life hell for three and a half hours spilling over into my seat and bitching like mad every time they have to haul their bulk out of the poor overloaded seat when I want to get a bit of exercise. :-*
Quote from: Voldermort on March 26, 2013, 22:06:31 PM
Just be thankful you are of good health. There are many, such as Diabetics and Steroid user Cancer patients who will happily prove your theory wrong >:(
Just checked the official UK Diabetes Society page and you don't get fat because of diabetes, you get diabetes because you're fat. Sorry to keep using the 'F' word but you've got to call a spade a spade. You can call me thin any time you like. None taken.
Quote from: Truncheon Meat on March 27, 2013, 12:32:31 PM
That's fantastic news Fifi!
Hope you don't have to qualify in any way for a comfort seat because as a thinnie I'm going to book a comfort seat so the fat buggers can't make my life hell for three and a half hours spilling over into my seat and bitching like mad every time they have to haul their bulk out of the poor overloaded seat when I want to get a bit of exercise. :-*
Oh this Forum always gives me a good laugh. :D :D :D
Quote from: Truncheon Meat on March 27, 2013, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: isleswing on March 27, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
They couldhave a seat size gauge, like the hand baggage cage. Won't fit? - buy the next seat as well. Simple.
That would be worth an hour or so of my time sitting at the Ryanair gate watching relatives trying to jam Auntie Flo and the rest of the fat club into the gauge cage. That mental image has got tears rolling down my cheeks. All those bits sticking out as they try and jam the door shut. Oh stop it please.
This whole topic is pure fantasy but at least it brings a smile to the forum. We all know it'll never happen.
:D :P 8) ;D
Remember Smooshies??
Smooshees Toys Ad from 1988 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSrCOHmigrc#)
I really hoped to find a better picture, but you get the idea :o
I´m not really bothered about sitting next to a LARGE person. What bothers me more is when you have to pay if you're 1 kilo over on baggage, and a person who is 3 times your weight goes straight through :'( :'(
I have sat next to larger than average passengers before, and TBH, it aint fun.
I hate the game of arm rest wrestling. He moves an inch to get a mag and Im back in control of the disputed territory. Then I will move to scratch my nose, and low and behold I have lost my arm rest. That goes on for 4 1/4 hours and Im exhausted at the end, my elbow is black and blue, but if im the last elbow to be on the arm rest when it touches down, I declare myself the arm rest champion for the TCX 123 flight out of Glasgow.
The plane load of understanding passengers applaud loudly and of course I get a gift token from the airline to spend on the next flight, subject to my not being engaged in yet another bout of "its my attractive (to me anyway) arm rest" and I can move my arm to hand the voucher over.
I am awaiting the call up for the UK reginal finals starting anything soon. ;D ;D
KWC54. What happens if you have to scratch another part that you may have to stand up to do so. Who wins in that situation.
In response to the gauge for the seats, we have this at our local oub, they sit in the chairs with arms and then cannot get out, provides entertainment whilst waiting!
Trunch, spot on re Diabetes, It is my area of work, but was not going to bring it up. There are a lot of health conditions caused or worsened but the dreaded 'obesity'.
That's ridiculous lol, what about the people with genuine health problems who can't help there size? You only have your self to blame for going over on your baggage allowance.
And these unfortunate people are REALLY obese?? yes they may put some weight on, especially with steroid treatment, but not overtly so, percentagewise. And to be blunt, the majority of (but of course not all) people with maturity onset diabetes develop the disease BECAUSE they are overweight in the first place....ask any healthcare professional! They will also tell you that about 90% of people are obese for one quite startling reason - they ingest far more calories than they burn off.
Because of the direct fuel/weight correlation, pay as you weigh seems fair to me.
PS I am Surfista, forgot to log in!
If you are deemed overweight to the extent you are causing discomfort to other fare paying passengers, and if you cannot prove it is due to medication, ie a doctors report, then a nice 20% fat tax sounds appropriate to me.
St Michael might even consider Lard opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal through which solid waste is eliminated from the body flights. Only for the overweight and at a price to cater for extra fuel consumption. Wider seats and aisles for maximum comfort, and 15 stone stewardesses so they don't feel disadvantaged or persecuted.
Everyones a winner then
have you seen this article about the easyjet flight from Liverpool to Geneva could not take off because it was too heavily loaded. some passengers had to get off Every aircraft type has strict rules about the total weight it can carry, depending on factors such as the length of the runway, the air temperature and the distance to be flown. To compute the weight limits, airlines have the option of weighing each passenger and their baggage. But British airlines instead use an estimate of how much each passenger weighs.
The rules issued by Europe's Joint Aviation Authorities instruct the airlines to assume that each male passenger weighs 88kg, and each female 70kg (children of either gender score 35kg).
full story here
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/easyjet-denies-organising-whipround-to-pay-passengers-to-leave-overweight-plane-8458078.html?origin=internalSearch (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/easyjet-denies-organising-whipround-to-pay-passengers-to-leave-overweight-plane-8458078.html?origin=internalSearch)
We are getting fatter compared to years ago, thats a fact, for whatever the various reason. Main one being the type and amount of food we eat. Processed food in particular is full of sugars, salts and fat to make them more tasty. If you were to taste this stuff without the salt,sugars and fat, it would taste like number two.
Now I read that vets are seeing more and more Horses with back problems due to the fat or overweight riders!
And now we have planes that can't get off the ground. What next a levy imposed on us by David Cameron for being overweight and taxing the health care system?
Just eat less of it. Works every time.
Quote from: stedge on March 28, 2013, 10:45:24 AM
Just eat less of it. Works every time.
Totally agree with you Stedge. I stopped eating processed number two last August and shed 2 stone, I look a whole lot better, feel better and have re-discovered how good home cooking that the wife was famous for!!
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looks wonderful
Quote from: si2008 on March 28, 2013, 08:35:34 AM
The rules issued by Europe's Joint Aviation Authorities instruct the airlines to assume that each male passenger weighs 88kg, and each female 70kg (children of either gender score 35kg).
full story here
Fantastic! In that case I can have 36kg of luggage and still be within limits. Decathlon here I come!
I remember watching a documentary once featuring thousands of people all with health problems.
Not a single one of the problems caused obesity. In fact everyone shown was thinner than me.
/The documentary was about the famine in Ethiopia.
RVEE - You sound like Sir Bob.......... ::)
Samoa Air boss defends charging passengers by weight (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22001256)
Quote from: Truncheon Meat on March 28, 2013, 12:38:18 PM
Quote from: si2008 on March 28, 2013, 08:35:34 AM
The rules issued by Europe's Joint Aviation Authorities instruct the airlines to assume that each male passenger weighs 88kg, and each female 70kg (children of either gender score 35kg).
full story here
Fantastic! In that case I can have 36kg of luggage and still be within limits. Decathlon here I come!
What about the EU gender directive?
Have you seen the size of the average Samoan? They're Huge.
And Air Samoa only fly Cessnas and Islanders! A bit optimisitic, really :o
Joke about weights vrs planes.
2 irish hunters were out in the wilds of the Rockies shooting deer, after shooting 4 deer, they called in the Cessna to pick them up.
On landing the pilot said, 4 deer shot, sorry this plane won't take the weight buddy. Pat said it did the last time we were over, albeit it was a different company.
So the pilot said oh ok then, lets give it a try.
With the plane loaded up with them and the deer he tried to take off, and get to a decent altitude, only to crash land a few miles away. Pat said to Mick "where do you think we are?" Mick said "not far from where we crashed last year methinks"?
If only they had flown with Samoan airways ;D ;D
This thread has read my thoughts...I like woe weigh only 8 stone, I priority book now, me by the window and hubby next to me, he's only marginally bigger than me and you hope a pray you don't get a lardy next to you. I remember a flight back from Malta and a person sat next to us, his wife across the aisle neither could fit their seat belts around them and wanted to move to other seats, they could not understand why even if they moved the belts would not fit.... sigh
I would love to see pay-as-you-weigh airfares. I too have sat by an overweight person for 4 hours who had the cheek to put up the arm rest and use half of my seat to accommadate their bulk. As for the diabetes thing - my husband has type 2 and has been able to control his weight with his diet. Self control is a lot to do with it.
As my son is light can I offset my lard opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal through which solid waste is eliminated from the body wieght with his ??
If we are going down this route why not have Flights for over 18's only as they have introduced for some Hotel accommodation. ;D
Quote from: ANDMAG on April 06, 2013, 08:30:14 AM
If we are going down this route why not have Flights for over 18's only as there have introduced for some Hotel accommodation. ;D
What a great idea ;D
I would like to see ugly people banned as well, some right mingers that I have had to sit next to on recent flights :o
So no fatties, over 18's only and only us good looking passengers allowed. Never mind speedy boarding, I would pay a premium to be surrounded by fellow perfect people :P
Ban whingers from the plane. Most of this forum would be gone, that would leave plenty of room for fat fcukers like me.
Quote from: ANDMAG on April 06, 2013, 08:30:14 AM
If we are going down this route why not have Flights for over 18's only as they have introduced for some Hotel accommodation. ;D
Screaming kids and babies on flights should be controlled too. Nobody should be made to endure 4 hours of this "Chinese Torture" :o when they've paid extortionate fares :'(
In an ideal world there would be no fatties no screaming kids kicking hell out of the back of your seat and no moaners!!! We can dream.
For those of you who are tired of flying with the Riff-Raff, you can always buy your own VIP jetliner.
A mere 54 million euros :o
http://www.jamesedition.com/jets/airbus/a320/2002-vip-for-sale-637789 (http://www.jamesedition.com/jets/airbus/a320/2002-vip-for-sale-637789)
I would offer to split the cost with you, but that would rather defeat the purpose..... ;D