Hi All
Please note that while we were on Butihondo beach last week, we witnessed a very very sad old pervert, sitting in the dunes by Emillios restaurant, taking photos of the naked female naturists, My hubby clocked him taking pics of me (no idea why...i'm not exactly a "babe" lol) and also a few other women, Hubby was all for lamping him one, but we both just stared at him, to make him aware that we knew what he was doing, He soon packed away the camera and shot off, only to stop further along and perv around the loungers, Hubby gave him the death stare again and he shot off again !
Why do these idiots have to make, something so natural, seem so seedy! About time he got a life ! He was also clocked by our friends the next day, doing exactly the same thing.....
Yes that was a close one. Thought I was going to get my head knocked off. At least now I can put a name to your lovely naked body. What is hubby's so I can title up his bits as well[:D][}:)][;)]
:-) You looked like you only had a "normal" digital camera, I couldnt see the wide angle lense you must have had !
The wonders of the digital camera all things can seem larger than life.[:D]
You of course can reduce thing as well and with some of the Germans I have taken snaps of, reduction is the order of the day[}:)][}:)]
Relax..This is just another holiday-stress time wind-up...
surely everybody who takes ALL their clothes off on a public beach realises that every sad old snapper with a dedicated sense of public concern will consider THEM as probable huffy-hubby threatening perverts - and so take zoomed-in pictures for future publishing on the internet (for neighbourly public-awareness reasons of course..)
UNLESS perhaps...were the all-exposed keeping their fingers crossed... so everybody could know they wanted to be invisible.
Noisey down at Butihondo with all those kettles and pans ever darkening at each other then?
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Originally posted by falkirkdan
The wonders of the digital camera all things can seem larger than life.[:D]
You of course can reduce thing as well and with some of the Germans I have taken snaps of, reduction is the order of the day[}:)][}:)]
[:D][:D] LMAO
Anyone who takes their clothes off in a public place cannot complain if some people want to take photos of them. What are they going to get pictures of exactly ? Nude people , well big deal. Check out the internet theres loads there
Not going to condone this behavior, but I agree with MinRich - when one makes a choice to be nude in public, be aware of the consequences.
Its ironic that you call this man a pervert, he may well be. But also the true meaning of pervert other than in the legal sense to pervert the course of justice. It also means someone doing something that is not considered natural or acceptable, or doing something considered sexually abnormal or unacceptable.
When I am sitting on the beach at El Cotillo, and someone stands a metre from my grandchildren and strips naked, should it not be the case that this person is doing something that is not considered natural or acceptable. So equally was this person a pervert.
I have nothing against naturists in general, but sadly one or two people bring naturism into disrepute.
What is so un-natural as being naked as the day you were born? OK, some make take offence to us "naturist" but as many beaches on Fuerteventura are known for "non-textiles/textile" beaches, (sharing in harmony with those who wish to wear/not wear clothes) then those going to such beaches are more than aware that there will be naturist around,
I have no problem with "people", if they so wish to, taking pics, but surely it should only be with the recipients permission, My main concern was the fact that there where families around me, with naturist children, Although we didn't witness this man taking pictures of them (if we had of, I would not of stopped hubbys actions!) it still comes down to the fact that pictures should NOT be blatantly taken without that person permission, surely that is a human right?
I did not place a comment on here to get an ear bashing, naturism is NOT for everyone, I totally understand that, but thought people should be aware that these people, taking unauthorised pictures of individuals, do exsist on this beach. If having a picture of me on his camera "rocks his boat" then so be it, all he had to do was ask and I could have put on my best pose !!!!
Well said zedzee, the argument that your born with no clothes on does'nt hold water. Since they cover your private bits up almost immediately. And from Jayne's comments , it seems like she thinks that places like El Cotillo should be exclusive to nudists. Show me a beach in El Cotillo where I can take my grandchildren, without fear of nudity spoiling our day out. Believe me we have tried them all and failed.
where have I said that clothed people should not be allowed on El Cotillo ???????
If you don't like what us nudist have to say, they stay out of the Naturism forum, that way you wouldnt get on your soap boxes everytime we say anything ! But then again, maybe thats what rocks your boat !
Quote Jayne. "Then those going to such beaches are more than aware, that naturists will be around" unquote. And why do I monitor this section of the forum. So hopefully I can stay one step ahead , and air my views.
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Originally posted by zedzedeleven
I bet if you asked normally clothed beach goers
ZZ does normally clothed beach goers include yourself in your black wet suit[?][?]
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Originally posted by bridlife
Well said zedzee, the argument that your born with no clothes on does'nt hold water. Since they cover your private bits up almost immediately. And from Jayne's comments , it seems like she thinks that places like El Cotillo should be exclusive to nudists. Show me a beach in El Cotillo where I can take my grandchildren, without fear of nudity spoiling our day out. Believe me we have tried them all and failed.
Us in the buff have no objection to sharing our beach with those who want to keep there soggy wet costume on.
My beef is. I have got to the beach and been settled for a while and of course naked. The beach is half empty and no areas are better than others. Along comes Ma, Pa and the weens. Or in your case Gran and Grandpa and the weens and plonks themselves down right next to you when they could have choice of loads of other places.
Then you start to hear the comments about these dirty nudists when in most cases it is Pa or Granpa who is the dirty voyeur. He just wants to have a good ogle at the naked women. I do not include Ma or Gran in this as to be honest, would they really want to ogle us gone to seed men[?][?]
It is funny you never hear the kids making any remarks.
As Birdlife you have tried all the Cotillo beach for no nudist then we will not have to put up with you as you will be staying away.
There you are straight on the defensive. You've just tried to put a reverse perspective and confirmed you and Jayne want beaches like El Cotillo for yourselves. You make Ma and Gran sound old , they may have been the case 50 years ago , but I can assure you we are extremely young grandparents, and will not allow the disgusting practices by some of these so called naturists, keep us away from El Cotillo.
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Originally posted by bridlife
There you are straight on the defensive. You've just tried to put a reverse perspective and confirmed you and Jayne want beaches like El Cotillo for yourselves. You make Ma and Gran sound old , they may have been the case 50 years ago , but I can assure you we are extremely young grandparents, and will not allow the disgusting practices by some of your friends keep us away from El Cotillo.
I did not say I want the beaches kept for nudists.
Note my comment "
Us in the buff have no objection to sharing our beach with those who want to keep there soggy wet costume on."As to disgusting practices I am sure proportionally there are no more by us who choose to forget the soggy costume than those who keep theirs on partake in disgusting practices.
Hope you are not meaning not wearing a costume to be disgusting. If so then I suggest that you just KEEP AWAY!!
i got no beef with nudists .....until they bend over.
Does that stand for both sexes ?
its a thin dividing line)
A bridge too far Cam.
You wrote this Dan < sharing our beach > I think it should read sharing the beach. As for soggy costumes, well, I suppose the traditional scottish costume, knitted as it is from harris tweed and including a sporran, will take a while to drip dry. The modern lycra costume will dry in the short walk back from the water.
Give it up folks. Offense to nudism is due to social construction. Virtually everyone who complains about nudism on this forum are flaming exhibitionists in some cultures. For example, a women showing any part of their body beyond their hands is socially unacceptable to some. By these norms, clearly most of Europe (and the UK) is completely perverted.
Even if you dont understand this arguement, consider this: If you are seeking a more offensive preversion, smoke tobacco in front of others. Those disinterested are still FORCED to inhale the second hand smoke thus reducing their probably lifespan. Talk about ¨disgusting¨.
So to those who walk around El Cotillo nude, feel proud. You are contributors to a new norm.
Norm = what people considered standard.. does not mean it is correct.
ZZ - I have just laughed till I cried at visions of Danny in his Harris tweed dookers with integral sporran.
As someone with a foot in both camps (an occasional naturist) I find this automatic association of naked bodies with sex to be one of the most unpleasant aspects of the British character. Especially as it seems perfectly OK for young women to parade around our streets on a night out in clothes (and I use the term losely since they clothe very little) which would have been obscene in a brothel a generation ago.
It's long past time that the Brits learnt from 'Johnnny Foreigner', especially the Scandinavians and other north Europeans, and stopped trying to impose cod Victorian morality on their kids. Because come puberty, it will all go so horribly wrong. There's a reason why the UK has the highest teen pregnancy rate in Europe and so many 30 year old grandmothers.
seeing a few old wrinklies prancing around on a beach in the buff won't change a nations teenage morality.Try booze and drugs and a decline in parental authority.
Same old - same old, seems no new tolerant solution coming along here at any time yet then.
Easy to understand why we, who honestly enjoy the joyful and uninhibited experience of gaining all-over suntans, come again and again to the glorious Fuerte coastline.
Fuerteventura, most specifically, since the elected authorities here readily accept full nudity as one of the significant tourist attractions to the island. They appreciate that nude sun worshippers are usually remarkably peaceful, considerate and non-aggressive people (!) .
Harder to understand however is why the 'anti-nudity' complainants do not simply take themselves elsewhere - there's endless choice for Them in most every other country in the world, so they could far more easily find somewhere else where their individual enjoyment could be satisfied without needlessly spoiling the peace of open-minded others who can gracefully accept the long established nudity culture here on Fuerte.
No doubt ZZ many would would consider your black rubber suit as pervish[:I][:I][;)]
I would think, given the numbers of surfers, windsurfers and kitesurfers, plus the smattering of divers,(aqua, not muff) that wet suits are considered fairly normal around the beaches of Fuerteventura. however, after dark, and behind closed doors, another type of rubber suit is donned. Called, I believe, a gimp suit, it is synonymous with whips, handcuffs and ball gags. Not that I would know anything about it, perhaps someone used to long dark evenings in the remote parts of Scotland might enlighten us. Given the recent hot nights the island has had I think that most of the suits are languishing forlornly behind the body rack.
mmmmmmmmm LATEX
Sorry Jayne for hijacking your post but it has been fun[:D][:D][:D]
Still waiting on your hubbies name to attach to the pics [;)][;)]
Tarzan apparently
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Originally posted by MinRich
Anyone who takes their clothes off in a public place cannot complain if some people want to take photos of them. What are they going to get pictures of exactly ? Nude people , well big deal. Check out the internet theres loads there
And at last a sensible reply from a naturist. I take my hat off to you.
and thats all)
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Originally posted by zedzedeleven
Wrong wrong wrong. You lot are the ones that should go elsewhere with your pervy fetish, there is endless choice for you also, loads of nudist colonies for you to display yourselves. fuerteventura is first and foremost a family holiday destination, and for god`s sake don`t quote admen (elected authorities) as if their word was gospel.
On your 1st point. Everytime WE find a quiet place where we can go nude without offending anyone, along comes everybody else and we end up sharing. If I was short sighted I could say "along come all the textiles and spoilt it for us" but I'm not short sighted.
On your 2nd point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Fuerte a German tourist stronghold many years ago (before us Brits came along) and they started the nudist trend off?
Same thing is happening in Formentera. There were more nudists then textiles (or it seemed that way) Now it's become 'popular' nudists have to share with textiles.
Lets face it, as long as you have non-textile and textile together you will always have a difference of opinion.
Now if you have segregation [:0]
All for it, let`s segregate all the perverts who practice indecent exposure to walled nudist colonies.
Textiles, non textiles (spits) clothed and naked do you mean?
A pervert practices perversion ?
Perversion is a concept describing those types of human behavior that are excessive or deviated from what is considered to be orthodox or normal . Although it can refer to varying forms of deviation, it is most often used to describe sexual behaviors that are seen by an individual as abnormal, repulsive or obsessive. Perversion differs from deviant behavior, since the latter refers to a recognized violation of social rules or norms. It is often considered derogatory and in psychological literature the term paraphilia has been used as a replacement, though this term is controversial, and "deviation" is now used instead by others.
Indecent exposure is the deliberate exposure in public or in view of the general public by a person of a portion or portions of his or her body, in circumstances where the exposure is contrary to local moral or other standards of appropriate behavior. Indecent exposure laws vary in different countries. It ranges from including the genital areas, buttocks and female nipples. In some ultra-conservative jurisdictions the exposure of any part of the female body is considered indecent. Some countries do not have indecent exposure laws.
Spain and the Canaries ? Do they have any indecent exposure laws ?
I don't think so [:D]
go on zz feed the fish;)
HE'S WINDING YOU UP;)
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Originally posted by appy ammer
go on zz feed the fish;)
HE'S WINDING YOU UP;)
Oi you, what do you know about it, you spend all your time clothed (textiled?) in your pearly king outfit, eating jellied eels and watching Hammersmith football team. or whatever it`s called. Non players off the pitch please.
Why is it that these perverts always seek to justify their seedy activities by quoting what goes on in other countries. Other cultures eat their young, mutilate girls, marry at nine etc. Just because a country doesn`t have "laws" it`s ok for perverts to seek out i.e. child prostitutes (gary glitter anyone?). Or overtly display genitalia to all and sundry, including children. We should know better.
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Originally posted by zedzedeleven
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Originally posted by appy ammer
go on zz feed the fish;)
HE'S WINDING YOU UP;)
Oi you, what do you know about it, you spend all your time clothed (textiled?) in your pearly king outfit, eating jellied eels and watching Hammersmith football team. or whatever it`s called. Non players off the pitch please.
not biting;)
No fun any more you.
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Originally posted by bridlife
why do I monitor this section of the forum. So hopefully I can stay one step ahead , and air my views.
Frankly, your views on this NATURIST FORUM are about as welcome as a fart in a space suit, bridlife. No objection to them elsewhere, but this forum is supposed to be for the naturists in the community. Please let US have OUR say in OUR forum. Thank you.
Sheila
No further comment, im done
Sorry, I just cannot make any sense of your post.
What has (presumably) Australia got to do with the subject? Where can naturists be locked up for not perverting the course of justice? And what is 'YOUR FORUM'
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Originally posted by bridlife
Where have you been Sheila upsetting family holidays in Oz. I had aired my views, and done with the subject. Anywhere else Sheila, naturusts can be locked up, and not for perverting the course of justice. You want freedom of speech, but only in YOUR FORUM ?.
Thank you all this has made me laugh when I needed it - I will certainly look in again.
its not a naturist forum. Its a Fuerteventura forum with a naturist section which is open to comment from all and sundry wether they approve of it or not.
Just got back from a 10 day break on this very section of the rock, & was going to post on this subject. While I was there, we had a spot of civil strife with a "photographer". He turned up with a young lad of about 8 year old, & proceeded to take numerous shots of said lad who was ambling around the beach. It seemed odd, that given that he had the whole of Sotovento to choose from, he ended up at this spot which is popular with naturists. Apart from a spade, neither of them had any sort of beach equipment, & his camera was equipped with what looked like a 200mm zoom, which he tended to point in other directions. Not my problem, I thought & went back to my book, however A couple of Germans where not so shy, & persuaded him to pi$$ off elsewhere.
I have to agree that if you go on a public beach clothed or unclothed, you cannot complain about ending up in someone else's photos. However there is a word of difference between that, & being deliberately targeted for whatever reason.
This is not a nude / textile issue. I am sure that some of the anti-naturist lobby on here would not be best pleased, if some oddball started taking direct photos of their family on the beach.
Can't agree more Magoo,
I was only ever originally pointing out that a man was blatantly taking individual photos of women (without permission)
If I was "textiled" or "untextiled" or "partly textiled" I would not be happy either way. I was only making the women aware that he existed on this piece of beach, and was taking pics, mainly, of the "untextiled" women. Like I said, had he asked my permission I would have struck a pose !!!
If I happened to be in the background of said mans pictures, of course I cannot be upset, it would be silly to be so !
Everyone has their "dislikes" and this is one of mine, had he been taking pics of children without permission, would that be acceptable...er..NO, and my view (not shared by many others apparently) is I don't like having my pic taken without permission.....
Big deal having your photo taken ! You say if you were in the background that would be ok ! Whats the difference ? You are in the photo either as the subject or the background .
There are alot more things to worry about in the world than this .
As a keen photographer, I find it polite to ask before taking photos of strangers whether clothed or unclothed - my rule of thumb is if I have to do it secretly I probably shouldn't be doing it!!!!!! Well, not in public anyway!!!!! Naturists don't mind being photographed any more than textile people do - but do ask so we can strike a pose for you!!!!!!!
Taking photos on a public beach what ever next :o
I am a naturist and love to take pictures when on holiday, I can not see why anyone would object to having their picture taken men or woman,
if you are on a public beach and some one points a camera in your direction just smile and enjoy the experience.
I walk for miles on holiday always naked and always with the camera at the ready.
My passion is birds the feathered kind, come to think of it I am partial to the none feather birds as well 16 or sixty they are all beautiful.
I degress you can find lots of exotic feathered friends on the beach and scrub along the dunes near Corry.
If I was walking along with my Nikon and 300mm lens attached with clothes on every one would say look at that pervert.
I am not a pervert and enjoy being naked in the sun and taking pictures of the local wild life.
So I walk along with my camera trying to get that rare picture of that Hoopoe or Great Southern Shrike or even an Osprey.
If I see a great view which may or may not include some one with no cloths on then I do not embarress them by asking is it all right to take a picture, I just take the view and move on to get some more fantastic pictures.
Do not judge that every one with a camera on a nudist beach is a pervert. 8)